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Old 01-15-2013, 03:47 PM   #19096
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Since we are talking orange again.
Strange that my 690 has more horsepower.
Details please..

I will be adding more horsepower to the 450 also. Probably gear UP slightly (from 14/52 to 14/50) and and a custom 41mm carb from DJH along with some head work and merging of the cases. Or I was thinking of spending money I don't really have and possibly upping to 518cc. Short stroke like a 450 but some of the balls of the 530. But gear up even more (likely to stock) so its still manageable on the technical terrain etc... Really up in the air about the whole thing...

Also Ry can you shoot me a ring whenever you have a chance? four 3 5 six three 1 zero zero two 1... thx
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:48 PM   #19097
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How do you like that handlebar set up? Flexx?

BTW, are you on IH8mud?
haven't used it, a friend wants to buy them because I never really used them, now I'm regretting it...

yup, on 'mud but not that often. Used to be, a lot, though!
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:52 PM   #19098
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Details please..

I will be adding more horsepower to the 450 also. Probably gear UP slightly (from 14/52 to 14/50) and and a custom 41mm carb from DJH along with some head work and merging of the cases. Or I was thinking of spending money I don't really have and possibly upping to 518cc. Short stroke like a 450 but some of the balls of the 530. But gear up even more (likely to stock) so its still manageable on the technical terrain etc... Really up in the air about the whole thing...

Also Ry can you shoot me a ring whenever you have a chance? four 3 5 six three 1 zero zero two 1... thx

One question comes to mind.... why??
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:15 PM   #19099
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1) burning oil right now. Like clockwork supposedly on these 08-11 engines, right at 80-90 hours.

Stock rings are a crappy design. http://ktmtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=462748&st=0 There are also 3-4 other things. They're pretty well documented on KTM talk. Once they're addressed this engine is as solid as the RFS but better performing in opinion.

2) goal is a solid bike that last for several years with no issues, that handles awesome/I love it every time I ride it. I can deal with it now or can deal with it later. No reason not to deal with it now.

3) Its definitely hands down up there with the nicest and best performing bike I've ever ridden. Therefore I'm psyched to keep it.

I've ridden and ridden with EFI bikes and while its nice, its definitely not a game changer in my opinion so I don't think I'll be tempted to get a new bike. Not a lot I can gain from ditching this bike and getting a 12 & later KTM in the future. Even the RFS bike exceeds my capabilities, but I can definitely a difference in the '08 & later of course. '10 and later (they dropped frame another 10mm from the head tube) are nearly identical to the current 500s and 450s.


4) Therefore with a goal of a 3 year bike I feel like I picked a good candidate. A lot of this (getting back to basics) is because my goal/interest in adventure riding. This means 2500 miles a year on average, and 90 hours is only 2-3 trips for me.

I don't want to be dicking around with burning oil or potentially blow up my engine somewhere because all of a sudden it started burning oil again.

Therefore I'm OK with putting in the money to fix it and do it right because I think its worth it. Particularly if I ride it for a bunch of years. This is also why I'm putting in time to get the rust off frame and powdercoated (bike was stored outside), etc, also get the wiring completely dialed with the street legal conversion. No crappy chinese wiring.

5) DHJ has a bunch of upgrades and mild mods to the 08-11 that make it completely solid. Some folks call it his 10,000+ mile engine. Fixes the oil pump transfer and leak issues. Merges the chambers. Tensioner. Can also bore the empty 300cc chamber in the middle of the engine for added oil capacity, which is also nice, if I want to do this. Only $100 for him to do this.

6) Only complaint is a little loss of high end on this bike. Might be rings again but the carb mod adds a little high end, and maybe some head work. Then I feel like I have the perfect engine.

The ultimate for durability is Thumper Racing sleeves (same as in your 525, I was talking to Doug about it a couple days ago) that are some high nickel aluminum that are even more durable than stock. The 518 would be sleeved, 450 would stay stock.

518 would be nice for the desert. Only time I would regret it is on some of the technical climbs on Fano's loop a little less power is nice and the 450 feels nicer... Also remember I'm 6'5 240 lbs... That extra power, particularly with another 30 lbs of gear, is nice at times... Folks day the short stroke 518 feels/handles better than the long stroke 510 engine. Sort of like a corvette engine versus a diesel both with the same HP.

It's all semantics, but just mentioning...

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Old 01-15-2013, 09:16 PM   #19100
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I'll get with you when I find the time to round up that 530 stuff. My garage is chaos right now.
NP, thanks. This guy is making regular rounds between Vernal and Heber right now, which is why I mention it, but no hurry at all/it can wait...
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:53 PM   #19101
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uhhh...

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1) burning oil right now. Like clockwork supposedly on these 08-11 engines, right at 80-90 hours.

Stock rings are a crappy design. http://ktmtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=462748&st=0 There are also 3-4 other things. They're pretty well documented on KTM talk. Once they're addressed this engine is as solid as the RFS but better performing in opinion.

2) goal is a solid bike that last for several years with no issues, that handles awesome/I love it every time I ride it. I can deal with it now or can deal with it later. No reason not to deal with it now.

3) Its definitely hands down up there with the nicest and best performing bike I've ever ridden. Therefore I'm psyched to keep it.

I've ridden and ridden with EFI bikes and while its nice, its definitely not a game changer in my opinion so I don't think I'll be tempted to get a new bike. Not a lot I can gain from ditching this bike and getting a 12 & later KTM in the future. Even the RFS bike exceeds my capabilities, but I can definitely a difference in the '08 & later of course. '10 and later (they dropped frame another 10mm from the head tube) are nearly identical to the current 500s and 450s.


4) Therefore with a goal of a 3 year bike I feel like I picked a good candidate. A lot of this (getting back to basics) is because my goal/interest in adventure riding. This means 2500 miles a year on average, and 90 hours is only 2-3 trips for me.

I don't want to be dicking around with burning oil or potentially blow up my engine somewhere because all of a sudden it started burning oil again.

Therefore I'm OK with putting in the money to fix it and do it right because I think its worth it. Particularly if I ride it for a bunch of years. This is also why I'm putting in time to get the rust off frame and powdercoated (bike was stored outside), etc, also get the wiring completely dialed with the street legal conversion. No crappy chinese wiring.

5) DHJ has a bunch of upgrades and mild mods to the 08-11 that make it completely solid. Some folks call it his 10,000+ mile engine. Fixes the oil pump transfer and leak issues. Merges the chambers. Tensioner. Can also bore the empty 300cc chamber in the middle of the engine for added oil capacity, which is also nice, if I want to do this. Only $100 for him to do this.

6) Only complaint is a little loss of high end on this bike. Might be rings again but the carb mod adds a little high end, and maybe some head work. Then I feel like I have the perfect engine.

The ultimate for durability is Thumper Racing sleeves (same as in your 525, I was talking to Doug about it a couple days ago) that are some high nickel aluminum that are even more durable than stock. The 518 would be sleeved, 450 would stay stock.

518 would be nice for the desert. Only time I would regret it is on some of the technical climbs on Fano's loop a little less power is nice and the 450 feels nicer... Also remember I'm 6'5 240 lbs... That extra power, particularly with another 30 lbs of gear, is nice at times... Folks day the short stroke 518 feels/handles better than the long stroke 510 engine. Sort of like a corvette engine versus a diesel both with the same HP.

It's all semantics, but just mentioning...

I hear the XR650R is a pretty good option...
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:07 PM   #19102
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No way... Psyched for this all, if you ask me! I love this stuff almost as much as I like riding!
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:12 AM   #19103
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DJH does decent work but his jetting is not all that great. His needle is mediocre at best.I use an 06 450 YZ stock needle and in back to back comparisons with his needle it is not even close.Smoother running and considerably more pull than Daves needle.Besides they are only 9 bucks.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:21 AM   #19104
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Dave's needle is stock KTM needle, correct? Just slightly changed out?
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:58 AM   #19105
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I hear the DR400 is a pretty good option...
Fixt.

5,000 miles and I have replaced a battery and changed the oil.
Oh, the stock turn signals are fragile.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:25 PM   #19106
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Chalanda!

Even KLR's know that Orange is Da Bomba.......
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:43 AM   #19107
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1) burning oil right now. Like clockwork supposedly on these 08-11 engines, right at 80-90 hours.

Stock rings are a crappy design. http://ktmtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=462748&st=0 There are also 3-4 other things. They're pretty well documented on KTM talk. Once they're addressed this engine is as solid as the RFS but better performing in opinion.

2) goal is a solid bike that last for several years with no issues, that handles awesome/I love it every time I ride it. I can deal with it now or can deal with it later. No reason not to deal with it now.

3) Its definitely hands down up there with the nicest and best performing bike I've ever ridden. Therefore I'm psyched to keep it.

I've ridden and ridden with EFI bikes and while its nice, its definitely not a game changer in my opinion so I don't think I'll be tempted to get a new bike. Not a lot I can gain from ditching this bike and getting a 12 & later KTM in the future. Even the RFS bike exceeds my capabilities, but I can definitely a difference in the '08 & later of course. '10 and later (they dropped frame another 10mm from the head tube) are nearly identical to the current 500s and 450s.


4) Therefore with a goal of a 3 year bike I feel like I picked a good candidate. A lot of this (getting back to basics) is because my goal/interest in adventure riding. This means 2500 miles a year on average, and 90 hours is only 2-3 trips for me.

I don't want to be dicking around with burning oil or potentially blow up my engine somewhere because all of a sudden it started burning oil again.

Therefore I'm OK with putting in the money to fix it and do it right because I think its worth it. Particularly if I ride it for a bunch of years. This is also why I'm putting in time to get the rust off frame and powdercoated (bike was stored outside), etc, also get the wiring completely dialed with the street legal conversion. No crappy chinese wiring.

5) DHJ has a bunch of upgrades and mild mods to the 08-11 that make it completely solid. Some folks call it his 10,000+ mile engine. Fixes the oil pump transfer and leak issues. Merges the chambers. Tensioner. Can also bore the empty 300cc chamber in the middle of the engine for added oil capacity, which is also nice, if I want to do this. Only $100 for him to do this.

6) Only complaint is a little loss of high end on this bike. Might be rings again but the carb mod adds a little high end, and maybe some head work. Then I feel like I have the perfect engine.

The ultimate for durability is Thumper Racing sleeves (same as in your 525, I was talking to Doug about it a couple days ago) that are some high nickel aluminum that are even more durable than stock. The 518 would be sleeved, 450 would stay stock.

518 would be nice for the desert. Only time I would regret it is on some of the technical climbs on Fano's loop a little less power is nice and the 450 feels nicer... Also remember I'm 6'5 240 lbs... That extra power, particularly with another 30 lbs of gear, is nice at times... Folks day the short stroke 518 feels/handles better than the long stroke 510 engine. Sort of like a corvette engine versus a diesel both with the same HP.

It's all semantics, but just mentioning...
The reason I asked why was I think you'll find once its rebuilt and not worn out and jetted right it will have plenty of power. Those motors have plenty of power stock. I'd spend the money on suspension and gas to go ride if I was you.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:11 PM   #19108
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DJH needle

The DJH needles I have seen have a very slight machine work on them and run like 35 bucks.I have used the YZ needle on three bikes.One stock 525,.one built 525 and one 570.Each ran noticeably better,stronger and smoother.Dave eventually refunded the moola for his needles.Dave does good work on carbs but in my opinion his needle falls short of the one I use.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:54 PM   #19109
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thanks Mung.. I was talking with him about it and was pretty sure he was using some stock needles now, the 5 digit OMJXX something can't remember, but I might be wrong but definitely good to know...

Frog also thanks too and good feedback. Been talking it over with some friends and I think you're completely right, so I'll definitely skip the big jug and stock will be most reliable too...

See how it comes together I suppose... :)

Suspension on this one has been gone through, feels awesome in the rear... But too soft in the front though the high speed ie whoops valving is correct. Biggest thing is I have PDS-4 in the rear, which I like but it's defintely unbalanced...
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:58 PM   #19110
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Eek set up....

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feels awesome in the rear... But too soft in the front though
I guess this hits a little too close to home for Pluric to have snapped it up
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