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Old 01-23-2013, 04:42 PM   #211
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How to induce a hard start issue

There have been a few users experience the dreaded "hard start".

There is a particular set of things that have to be done to induce this.

Since I have never had this problem I was keen to see whether I could induce it by running through a few scenarios that have led to it...

This is a bit of a log to see whether I could nail down the important parts.

First day was just running through a few of the ideas that had been floating around. (sped up so it doesn't drag on too long)

20th Jan 2013


That was a complete fail as far as the hard start goes.

But often people talk about the bike being left for a few days after fiddling or washing.

Well after 2 1/2 days of sitting without the bike being touched and that includes not charging the battery...

23 Jan 2013.


Now it was cleared pretty easily by going for 1/2 throttle, Some go Wide open and it clears.

After the last video I gave the battery a good rest and a charge.

24 Jan 2013
Started fine. Starting to think it is a combination of a slightly flat battery, cold bike and being left after some short runs.

26 Jan 2013

Last hard tests...


Pretty clear how it happens, pretty clear how to clear it. Put it down to modern closed loop FI. Also note that after the ECU "thinks" the engine has fired , probably from the initial burst of engine acceleration, it turns the headlight on. If you want to save some battery life cycle the ignition again and the headlights will turn off again. No point burning 100W for no reason. It may be a part of the problem.
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Old 01-04-2014, 11:11 PM   #212
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2013 / 2014 Model differences

Differences between the 2013 XT1200Z and the 2014 XT1200Z and ZE (Europe), according to YAMAHA

2014 XT1200Z
Refined engine with 112PS (82.4kW) @ 7,250rpm and 117 Nm
•Enhanced D-MODE switchable mapping characteristics:
•More relaxed and easy feeling in “T” mode
•More exhilarating and exciting sport riding in “S” mode
•Enhanced driveability from mid to high speed range
•More enjoyable feeling during acceleration and at higher rpm
•Smoother shifting up and down between 2nd and 3rd gear
•New: Manually-adjustable 4-position screen with GPS holder
•New: Cruise Control for more relaxed long distance touring
•Enlarged intake and exhaust ports
•Lighter camshaft assembly
•Redesigned piston rings
•New exhausts
•Enhanced shaft drive damper assembly
•New rubber clutch damper adopted
•Reduced weight
•New: LCD instruments with multi-function display
•New: Gear Position Indicator
•New: Compact LED flashers
•New: Extra protection cover under headlights
•New: Tapered aluminium handlebars
•New: Handlebar crown and bar holder
•New: Enhanced more upright riding position
•New: Redesigned 2-tone stitchless low-profile dual seat
•New: Tail cover
•New: Small muffler protector
•New: Redesigned forged aluminium sidestand

In addition the 2014 XT1200ZE has..

•Electronically adjustable front and rear suspension
•Total of 84 potential suspension settings
•Grip warmers fitted as original equipment
•Top case base
•Assist grip
•Main stand (Centre Stand)

Intruments

2013


2014
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Old 01-05-2014, 07:18 AM   #213
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excellent work
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Old 01-05-2014, 07:42 AM   #214
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that sure is nice
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:38 AM   #215
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Nice job GrahmD. As always.
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:35 PM   #216
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Yes; good summery Graham... thanks.

Word is that the 2014 won't be released for sale in the States until all previous inventory has been sold... (due to a large inventory here) anyone know if that is true?

Also; what is the new "weight" projected to be??

thanks again for the update, I'll probably upgrade at some point, but I'm in no hurry.
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:42 PM   #217
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XT1200ZE [Z] Secifications.

Engine type Forward-inclined parallel 2-cylinder, liquid-cooled, 4-stroke, DOHC, 4-valves
Displacement 1,199cc
Bore x stroke 98 mm x 79.5 mm
Compression ratio 11.0 : 1
Maximum power 82.4 kW (112PS) @ 7,250 rpm
Maximum Torque 117.0 Nm (11.9 kg-m) @ 6,000 rpm
Lubrication system Dry sump
Fuel Delivery Electronic Fuel Injection
Clutch Type Wet, Multiple Disc
Ignition system TCI
Starter system Electric
Transmission Constant Mesh, 6-speed
Final transmission Shaft
Frame Steel tube backbone
Front suspension Upside-down telescopic fork, 43 mm
Front travel 190 mm
Caster Angle 28
Trail 126 mm
Rear suspension Swingarm, Adjustable preload and rebound damping, (link suspension), Monoshock
Rear Travel 190 mm
Front brake Hydraulic dual disc, 310 mm wave discs
Rear brake Hydraulic single disc, 282 mm wave disc
Front tyre 110/80R19M/C 59V
Rear tyre 150/70R17M/C 69V
Overall length 2,255 mm [2,250 mm]
Overall width 980 mm
Overall height 1,410 mm
Seat height 845/870 mm
Wheel base 1,540 mm
Minimum ground clearance 190 mm [205mm]
Wet weight (including full oil and fuel tank) 265 kg [257kg]
Fuel tank capacity 23 litres
Oil tank capacity 4.2 litres
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:18 PM   #218
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Thanks!... Kg's are Greek to me!...

I'll get my calculator out...

looks like about 18 lbs less... or 566 lbs net
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:05 AM   #219
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Thanks!... Kg's are Greek to me!...

I'll get my calculator out...

looks like about 18 lbs less... or 566 lbs net
Doing a comparison on Yamaha UK the 2014 ZE spec is 4Kgs heavier (265kg)than the 2012 spec S10 (261Kgs) probably due to the extra bits like electro sussies and adjustable screen /larger cat.
The new 2014 stripped out basic S10 is listed as being 257Kgs .

Don't know if this link will work but is a comparison of 2014 S10, 2012 S10 2014 S10ZE and 2012 World crosser (though no different to the other 2012)
http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/produc...,552148,464261

The older bikes are easy to spot as they only have 80.9Kw listed
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Don't know if this link will work but is a comparison of 2014 S10, 2012 S10 2014 S10ZE and 2012 World crosser (though no different to the other 2012)
http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/produc...,552148,464261

The older bikes are easy to spot as they only have 80.9Kw listed
Thanks for that

The only thing I don't understand is this spec from the XT1200Z...

Overall height 1,410 mm high 1,470 mm ??
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Old 01-06-2014, 04:28 AM   #221
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Thanks for that

The only thing I don't understand is this spec from the XT1200Z...

Overall height 1,410 mm high 1,470 mm ??
Sounds like they measured from the top of the windshield.
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Sounds like they measured from the top of the windshield.
Sounds about right
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:48 AM   #223
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Here is an article with some interesting weights of actual adv bikes ,ready to ride:


http://www.touratech-usa.com/Adventu...igh-In-Results
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