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Old 01-23-2013, 04:47 PM   #15481
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Like Duc said, and I hope I didnt give you the wrong impression, there is plenty of power for two up. It just taxes the engine a little more than a tonner would. And as far as a katoom for 2 up, there's no way in hell I would put my wife through that. The seat is way too narrow. If its just a weekend jaunt you should be fine but I wouldnt excatly call the XC a "2 up tourer". KTM makes great power and the suspension is great but its heavier and you better be either handy with a wrench or have deep pockets.

Geez....another XC rider that seems to think just like I do.
I scratched the 990 for these same reasons. Way too finicky, and all that plastic. They are definitely a better 'dirtbike' though.

I had a Kawasaki Versys that I put about 8K miles on and enjoyed it, but it had its quirks and vibes, and then the wife started coming along on day trips so we decided to get something better for 2-up. I rode all the big bikes and the XC fit me the best. I can tell you it does 2-up WAY better than the versys, and just as good as the GS. Well, except the seat and that was an easy fix.

We are about 350lbs combined and it's just not an issue for the bike. But then we didn't choose it for, nor would we be doing, long distance cross-country touring by motorcycle. I have a Winnebago for that.
But seriously, the luxo boingers of the XC for 2-up on the road was another reason I chose it. It's really comfortable, and unless you really brake hard we don't get the rocking horse see-saw back and forth on go and stop. I don't ride crazy with two like I do solo anyway. The Tiger is just fine with two.

One of my first mods was to improve the passenger seat for the wife. Removed the seat cover, which is a stupid color anyway, and of poor grade vinyl so it gets sticky if it gets any sun exposure. Ground down the center to creat more dish while leaving the front it's full height. This took away a lot of the slope, and made it more of a saddle dish shape. Then added 1" of mid-density foam and made a new cover with carbon fiber look vinyl, and added a back pad to the top box. She is good for a couple of hundred miles now, no problem. We stop frequently anyway to get off and stretch, etc.

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Old 01-23-2013, 05:01 PM   #15482
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One of my first mods was to improve the passenger seat for the wife. Removed the seat cover, which is a stupid color anyway, and of poor grade vinyl so it gets sticky if it gets any sun exposure. Ground down the center to creat more dish while leaving the front it's full height. This took away a lot of the slope, and made it more of a saddle dish shape. Then added 1" of mid-density foam and made a new cover with carbon fiber look vinyl, and added a back pad to the top box. She is good for a couple of hundred miles now, no problem. We stop frequently anyway to get off and stretch, etc.

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That is awesome! I'd definitely do that if I could find someone to ride pillion with me who had no interest in an actual relationship beyond the bike, drinks, and sex.
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:10 PM   #15483
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Geez....another XC rider that seems to think just like I do.
I scratched the 990 for these same reasons. Way too finicky, and all that plastic. They are definitely a better 'dirtbike' though.

I had a Kawasaki Versys that I put about 8K miles on and enjoyed it, but it had its quirks and vibes, and then the wife started coming along on day trips so we decided to get something better for 2-up. I rode all the big bikes and the XC fit me the best. I can tell you it does 2-up WAY better than the versys, and just as good as the GS. Well, except the seat and that was an easy fix.

We are about 350lbs combined and it's just not an issue for the bike. But then we didn't choose it for, nor would we be doing, long distance cross-country touring by motorcycle. I have a Winnebago for that.
But seriously, the luxo boingers of the XC for 2-up on the road was another reason I chose it. It's really comfortable, and unless you really brake hard we don't get the rocking horse see-saw back and forth on go and stop. I don't ride crazy with two like I do solo anyway. The Tiger is just fine with two.

One of my first mods was to improve the passenger seat for the wife. Removed the seat cover, which is a stupid color anyway, and of poor grade vinyl so it gets sticky if it gets any sun exposure. Ground down the center to creat more dish while leaving the front it's full height. This took away a lot of the slope, and made it more of a saddle dish shape. Then added 1" of mid-density foam and made a new cover with carbon fiber look vinyl, and added a back pad to the top box. She is good for a couple of hundred miles now, no problem. We stop frequently anyway to get off and stretch, etc.

I know I've posted these before but here they are again...
Wow, Browneye. That's an awesome job! Looks like I need to do the same. I have never messed with seats so I will probably have to have that done by someone else. My wife will really appreciate it. Thanks!
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:14 PM   #15484
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That is awesome! I'd definitely do that if I could find someone to ride pillion with me who had no interest in an actual relationship beyond the bike, drinks, and sex.
Ouch!!

Women are generally needy. I always say, "Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em."

I've been married for 20 years. I can't say it's always been 'happily', but it's better than ever now. She doesn't go much. Mostly I take off on hardcore trips with the guys. The seat is there for her though when we're up for a putt together.

I'm just glad I got a real adventure bike for those hardcore trips. It's great! After 5K miles of trips I still woudn't trade it for anything else. I think that says a lot about the bike in general.
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:17 PM   #15485
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That is awesome! I'd definitely do that if I could find someone to ride pillion with me who had no interest in an actual relationship beyond the bike, drinks, and sex.
You will definitely more money for farkles that way!
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:19 PM   #15486
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Ouch!!

Women are generally needy. I always say, "Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em."

I've been married for 20 years. I can't say it's always been 'happily', but it's better than ever now. She doesn't go much. Mostly I take off on hardcore trips with the guys. The seat is there for her though when we're up for a putt together.

I'm just glad I got a real adventure bike for those hardcore trips. It's great! After 5K miles of trips I still woudn't trade it for anything else. I think that says a lot about the bike in general.
Ha! We will be married 20 years this July. Wouldn't trade her for the world though.
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:21 PM   #15487
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One of my first mods was to improve the passenger seat for the wife. Removed the seat cover, which is a stupid color anyway, and of poor grade vinyl so it gets sticky if it gets any sun exposure. Ground down the center to creat more dish while leaving the front it's full height. This took away a lot of the slope, and made it more of a saddle dish shape. Then added 1" of mid-density foam and made a new cover with carbon fiber look vinyl, and added a back pad to the top box. She is good for a couple of hundred miles now, no problem. We stop frequently anyway to get off and stretch, etc.
That looks great, very professional looking. Has anyone tried doing similar treatment to the front seat? One of my few gripes so far is the comfort of the seat after an hour or so. It's not horrible, but I definitely get pressure points after the foam has compressed a bit. I know there are options like Corbin or Renazco, but they're both spendy, and I'm not a big fan of the Corbin design, and not sure I have the patience for Renazco.
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:26 PM   #15488
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browneye. That looks great and thanks I haven't caught those pics yet. I love what u ya had to say. Sounds. Like the bike is exactly what I'm looking for :)
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:07 PM   #15489
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Sounds to me like at least a couple of fellas have wives who read this thread. One of my riding buddies worked with a teacher who was asked if he had any input for hiring a new colleague? He replied that she should be blonde with big boobs and have a father who owned a liquor store.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:19 PM   #15490
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That looks great, very professional looking. Has anyone tried doing similar treatment to the front seat? One of my few gripes so far is the comfort of the seat after an hour or so. It's not horrible, but I definitely get pressure points after the foam has compressed a bit. I know there are options like Corbin or Renazco, but they're both spendy, and I'm not a big fan of the Corbin design, and not sure I have the patience for Renazco.
Thanks. I've done just a few different seats but have been doing uphostery stuff and marlinspike work for years.

I find the stock seat one of the best I've ever seen (the new explorer is even nicer) so I haven't messed with it. But if you could figure out what would help you personally you could probably get a good upholsterer to make the mods for you for a couple hundred bucks. Seats are really pretty simple. The custom covers are what costs.

I did a DIY/How-to thing on the Versys owners forum that has a ton of links for other custom seat info, and materials sources. There are quite a few seat mod people in there too. You don't need to join the forum to read the thread, has 6K views! http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11152&highlight=custom+seat

If the seat isn't comfortable then riding the bike is no fun!
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:01 PM   #15491
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I live in the northeast USA, and leaning strongly toward the Tiger 800XC. Or at least I was until I spotted photos of the new Tiger Sport!

There is a brand new one sitting on the floor of a nearby dealer. Been there for much of the past year. Color white which I like but may not be as much in demand. List price is $11,999, plus destination of something like $800.

My question is, how much of a discount do you think the dealer might be open to? I know this is highly subjective and dependent upon a ton of variables. Wondering about going in with cash in hand and offering $2,000 or more off the price . . . since its the dead of winter, its now 2013 and that bike is a 2012, and the new bikes (including the afore mentioned Tiger Sport) keep being introduced.

Thanks for the suggestions.
Ok, so here's the update. Made a pretty low offer today to the dealer. '12 leftover 800xc in the color I want. His counter offer was $10,700 plus sales tax and some document fees. Freight and prep are waived. Additionally, there are 2 accessories I'd like which add up to about $500, for those there was no discount and about $100 to install. I asked if he could move any further to meet my offer which was still $1300 lower for total OTD, his words were, "I'm all in."

Looks like about $2,000 discounted from full list and the usual freight and prep charges.

What do you think? Is there wisdom in trying to further negotiate? We are in the middle of an intense cold spell. the least appealing month, for most people, to buy! Looking for a great deal, plus a good long term relationship for service needs.

Thanks!
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Ok, so here's the update. Made a pretty low offer today to the dealer. '12 leftover 800xc in the color I want. His counter offer was $10,700 plus sales tax and some document fees. Freight and prep are waived. Additionally, there are 2 accessories I'd like which add up to about $500, for those there was no discount and about $100 to install. I asked if he could move any further to meet my offer which was still $1300 lower for total OTD, his words were, "I'm all in."

Looks like about $2,000 discounted from full list and the usual freight and prep charges.

What do you think? Is there wisdom in trying to further negotiate? We are in the middle of an intense cold spell. the least appealing month, for most people, to buy! Looking for a great deal, plus a good long term relationship for service needs.

Thanks!
As far as I know, with his counter of $10,700, he's making about $100 on the deal.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:11 PM   #15493
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Ok, so here's the update. Made a pretty low offer today to the dealer. '12 leftover 800xc in the color I want. His counter offer was $10,700 plus sales tax and some document fees. Freight and prep are waived. Additionally, there are 2 accessories I'd like which add up to about $500, for those there was no discount and about $100 to install. I asked if he could move any further to meet my offer which was still $1300 lower for total OTD, his words were, "I'm all in."

Looks like about $2,000 discounted from full list and the usual freight and prep charges.

What do you think? Is there wisdom in trying to further negotiate? We are in the middle of an intense cold spell. the least appealing month, for most people, to buy! Looking for a great deal, plus a good long term relationship for service needs.

Thanks!
It sounds like a fair deal to me. If they are good to deal with on the purchase then they want you as a return customer which most Triumph dealers do, that aren't BMW dealers. Take the plunge and enjoy the ride.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:24 PM   #15494
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Buy it!! That's a good deal on a GREAT bike!
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:16 PM   #15495
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Ok, so here's the update. Made a pretty low offer today to the dealer. '12 leftover 800xc in the color I want. His counter offer was $10,700 plus sales tax and some document fees. Freight and prep are waived. Additionally, there are 2 accessories I'd like which add up to about $500, for those there was no discount and about $100 to install. I asked if he could move any further to meet my offer which was still $1300 lower for total OTD, his words were, "I'm all in."

Looks like about $2,000 discounted from full list and the usual freight and prep charges.

What do you think? Is there wisdom in trying to further negotiate? We are in the middle of an intense cold spell. the least appealing month, for most people, to buy! Looking for a great deal, plus a good long term relationship for service needs.

Thanks!
Agree. I was shopping and bought last month and think that's a very fair price.
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