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Old 01-23-2013, 07:10 PM   #18256
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[QUOTE=HogWild;20560977]How Dakar



Do they make Coke bandanas ?
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:50 PM   #18257
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Wow... what a great interview and I was stunned when Luis gave his finisher medal to Mike Stanfield, what an amazing gesture! That entire crew sounds like a quality bunch of folks.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:58 PM   #18258
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You can't compare Baja and Dakar. Oh and BTW, Chuck Sterns never won in Baja nor has Kurt for that matter. Chuck still remains the top American Dakar rider with six stage wins in 1985.
Probably 205, but I'm way behind, so I'll say it anyway. Jimmy Lewis is the top American Dakar rider, finishing on the podium. Stearns finished 6th overall, I believe.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:38 PM   #18259
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Not sure if anyone posted this and I'm not going to try to look!

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/13/motors...ml?hpt=hp_bn13

I really enjoy the blue "chair" in the background of the 9th picture (sleeping mechanic)
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:46 PM   #18260
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I'm uploading fresh photos from Stage 2, Pisco-Pisco. My amigo Kurt was able to get out on the dunes in a buggy, these are his photos, there are some great shots here http://r1150rt.smugmug.com/Motorcycl...4977&k=63BtrdR







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Old 01-24-2013, 12:31 AM   #18261
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Noob-type Dakar questions:

Why are the cars and trucks so much faster than the first bike if the event is so tough? Is there that much wide open expanse to let the 4-wheelers take commanding advantage of top speed so that when the terrain favors bikes there is no way to make up much deficit??
The bikes were speed limited.
I think they're not now but 450cc only gives you so much...
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:23 AM   #18262
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Does anyone know what kind of gear he is wearing (jacket an brace?)?

i know the suit is from Rev'it, dont know what the brace is

Quote from Tamsin:

"Yes it was the Rev'it kit - Craig said he really liked it but due to the heat he had to take all of the layers out - gortex etc"

i think the brace is leatt
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:44 AM   #18263
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more craig photos

these are the last i have:

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Old 01-24-2013, 01:57 AM   #18264
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Noob-type Dakar questions:

Why are the cars and trucks so much faster than the first bike if the event is so tough? Is there that much wide open expanse to let the 4-wheelers take commanding advantage of top speed so that when the terrain favors bikes there is no way to make up much deficit??

Way, way back in the day, the bikes used to be fastest in the Baja 1000 because the terrain was so rough that the cagers equipment couldn't do as well as the bikes. Then the cagers started building big time suspension and big motors to go with it. And the route was more acceptable to cages as it was on 'roads' as opposed the the virgin brush. Is Dakar so cage friendly that bikes no longer/never have a chance to finish first over-all, over-everything?

Is there a significant difference in racing mileages for the bikes vs cages?

Is that the bikes have to navigate for themselves such a detriment compared to the cages' designated navigator?

Anybody got any idea what the racing mpg is for the average top ten vehicles in class?

If there is a link to such basic data where a noob can read all about it, please share it?
I first noticed this around 2010, when Carlos Sanz (in the VW) finished ahead of Cyril Despres by a couple of hours in the overall...

I think there are a number of factors, but this year (2013) particularly there was a significant difference between the final stage mileage for the car and bikes - as a couple of days were cut/short for the cars (due to weather/flooding), but the bikes still raced the original distance...

Those two [shortened] stages were also typically in more technical terrain, so had the cars completed the distance (especially in poor weather conditions) I imagine the overall times would have been far closer - although that is still not to say a bike would have won the overall...

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Old 01-24-2013, 03:25 AM   #18265
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Top speed of cars would be faster too, image that would make a difference.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:48 AM   #18266
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Top speed of cars would be faster too, image that would make a difference.
Yeah...you've got to remember that the bikes are all tiny now being limited to 450cc.......those buggies are still running big V8s
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:22 AM   #18267
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Its also about the terrain. Take this video for example...no way a bike is going to blast threw slippery, wet ground at full speed but cars can...





Bike pilots also have to deal with the fatigue from the workout compared to car drivers but the big one is they are navigating while driving as opposed to having a co pilot.

Certain stages just arent condusive to bikes being faster than cars.

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Old 01-24-2013, 08:37 AM   #18268
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Doesn't hurt as much when you hit a big hole in a car as on a bike.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:51 AM   #18269
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Questions for HogWild: Riders have to navigate themselves, cars have a navigator, who did the navigating on the sidecar, pilot or monkey? Did they do away with the sidecar class altogether? Thanks.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:34 AM   #18270
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Anyone know what neck protector 'Shoestring & Prayer' Luchesse is wearing in this video?
Almost looks like a donut the car guys use. Another 11th-hour acquisition?
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Looks like one of his old mouses? Cheers for ya Manuel. We are all with ya! Give'er tomorrow.
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and Manuel is using a dirty dead snake around his neck this year, presumably because he doesnt have the funds for a proper neck brace.

Don't know if anyone might want one, but I happened to run across what Manuel might have been using:

http://www.ufoplast.com/en/product-details/mx-enduro/protectors/PC02097

Looks like he's trying to be an Alien
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