Having trouble seating the bead on heidenau's k60 scouts

Bob Tosi · 01-20-2013, 07:59 PM

I'm changing to these in my Tiger and I can't seem to get the bead to seat. I even tried to use a ratcheting tie down strap around the tire but no luck.

Anyone got some good ideas?

One Less Harley · 01-20-2013, 08:14 PM

try taking out the valve stem to get more volume of air in, did you lube the bead too?? You'll need a decent cfm compressor, not a little 110 tire pump thingy, or worse 12volt pump.

Idle · 01-20-2013, 08:18 PM

Had the same problem with a heidenau K73 for my tubeless rear rim.

I took it to the tire shop and they helped me get it set. Used a bead blaster air tank.

victor441 · 01-20-2013, 08:59 PM

+1 on the tire lube and use the real stuff, Napa carries it for about $12/gal IIRC, a gallon would probably last a hobbyist a lifetime. Also try pumping the tire up to 50-60 psi, that will often do the trick and get the bead to seat and usually you will hear a pop when it happens...

Bob Tosi · 01-20-2013, 09:10 PM

I was using soapy water. The big blocks seated real easily.

These wont even pressure up.

victor441 · 01-20-2013, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Tosi

I was using soapy water. The big blocks seated real easily.

These wont even pressure up.

hmmm, what are you using as an air source? If it won't flow a fair volume as said above sometimes tubeless tires won't seat. I ran into that once before I had a compressor and ended up connecting two hand pump air chucks with a hose and connecting one end to a inflated auto tire and one to the MC tire and that worked....once the MC tire held air I was able to fill both up w/ my bicycle pump. A portable air tank might work too...or maybe a bead seater?? have not tried one myself but they are supposed to seat even the most difficult tires

Bob Tosi · 01-20-2013, 10:08 PM

I was using my 6gal home compressor that I use for air tools and filling up tires. It probably is not putting out enough volume.

H96669 · 01-21-2013, 12:58 PM

Push one side against the wheel by hand, then use an old (or new) bicycle tube to fill the gap on the other side. Maybe a piece of plywood to hold the tube in place and close the gap but don't pinch the bicycle tube in there.

Then inflate. Trust the really old guy who showed me that so many years ago.

gsweave · 01-21-2013, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Tosi

I was using my 6gal home compressor that I use for air tools and filling up tires. It probably is not putting out enough volume.

Did you clean the old rubber from inside the rim??? Scotchbride and kero are your friend

pull valve stem

Heat tire up. nice sunny days are hard to find here right now... more lube

More cfms 6 gallon could do it but bigger compressor would be mo better.

I wouldn't be afraid to run her up to 60 psi as long as valve stem is pulled. (short duration pushes to 60psi)

dirtybike · 01-21-2013, 03:31 PM

Ratchet strap around the circumference (outside) of the tire. As you tighten the ratchet, it should push the beads out toward the rim.

I haven't needed to do this in many years. I would stop adding air, and release the ratchet as soon as the tire would hold pressure.

Jeff B · 01-21-2013, 05:49 PM

_cy_ · 01-21-2013, 06:24 PM

go to 3.15 ... guy is long winded

pennswoodsed · 01-22-2013, 11:20 AM

No need to ever use ether or other explosive mixture to seat tire at home.

YOU RISK DEATH OR WORSE WITH ETHER !

Maybe 100 mile from nearest service ^ ,other wise straps, remove valve core and 5 + hp compressor(10cfm) and proper technique will seat any tire .

It might take more than 2 hands and it might take more than 2 tries ,but 3.50-4 to 11r24.5s will seat .

Get someones help , another rider, tire tech ,somebody .

Bob Tosi · 01-23-2013, 07:38 PM

I end up taking out the valve stem and using the mechanics compressor at work, industrial size. The front popped right into place.

Thanks guys

Bob Tosi · 01-24-2013, 11:58 AM

Ok the rear is being a real pita! Can't get the bead to seat. I tried taking out the valve stem and using a high volume high pressure air and that wouldn't do it.

Any ideas?

01-20-2013, 07:59 PM	#1
Bob Tosi ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Chico, Ca Oddometer: 1,589	Having trouble seating the bead on heidenau's k60 scouts I'm changing to these in my Tiger and I can't seem to get the bead to seat. I even tried to use a ratcheting tie down strap around the tire but no luck. Anyone got some good ideas? __________________ When you're lost in the wild and scared as a child. And death looks you bang in the eye, and your sore as a boil, its according to Hoyle to cock your revolver... and die. But the code of a man says "fight all you can" and self-dissolution is barred. In hunger and woe, its easy to blow... Its the hell-served-for-breakfast thats hard........Robert Service

01-20-2013, 08:14 PM	#2
One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Bowling Green, Ky Oddometer: 3,923	try taking out the valve stem to get more volume of air in, did you lube the bead too?? You'll need a decent cfm compressor, not a little 110 tire pump thingy, or worse 12volt pump. __________________ 2004 BMW R1150RS 1984 BMW R80G/S (wrenching index) 2003 Suzuki DRZ 400S (TAT Prep) One More DRZ does the TAT (Ride Report)

01-20-2013, 09:10 PM	#5
Bob Tosi ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Chico, Ca Oddometer: 1,589	I was using soapy water. The big blocks seated real easily. These wont even pressure up. __________________ When you're lost in the wild and scared as a child. And death looks you bang in the eye, and your sore as a boil, its according to Hoyle to cock your revolver... and die. But the code of a man says "fight all you can" and self-dissolution is barred. In hunger and woe, its easy to blow... Its the hell-served-for-breakfast thats hard........Robert Service

01-20-2013, 10:08 PM	#7
Bob Tosi ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Chico, Ca Oddometer: 1,589	I was using my 6gal home compressor that I use for air tools and filling up tires. It probably is not putting out enough volume. __________________ When you're lost in the wild and scared as a child. And death looks you bang in the eye, and your sore as a boil, its according to Hoyle to cock your revolver... and die. But the code of a man says "fight all you can" and self-dissolution is barred. In hunger and woe, its easy to blow... Its the hell-served-for-breakfast thats hard........Robert Service

01-21-2013, 12:58 PM	#8
H96669 A proud pragmatist. Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Hiding off Hwy 6, B.C. Oddometer: 3,001	Push one side against the wheel by hand, then use an old (or new) bicycle tube to fill the gap on the other side. Maybe a piece of plywood to hold the tube in place and close the gap but don't pinch the bicycle tube in there. Then inflate. Trust the really old guy who showed me that so many years ago. __________________ Have tools, will travel!

01-20-2013, 08:18 PM	#3
Idle Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2011 Location: Northern California Oddometer: 426	Had the same problem with a heidenau K73 for my tubeless rear rim. I took it to the tire shop and they helped me get it set. Used a bead blaster air tank.

01-20-2013, 08:59 PM	#4
victor441 Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Santa Rosa, Calif. Oddometer: 491	+1 on the tire lube and use the real stuff, Napa carries it for about $12/gal IIRC, a gallon would probably last a hobbyist a lifetime. Also try pumping the tire up to 50-60 psi, that will often do the trick and get the bead to seat and usually you will hear a pop when it happens...

01-21-2013, 03:31 PM	#10
dirtybike Adventurer Joined: Jul 2010 Location: NY Oddometer: 90	Ratchet strap around the circumference (outside) of the tire. As you tighten the ratchet, it should push the beads out toward the rim. I haven't needed to do this in many years. I would stop adding air, and release the ratchet as soon as the tire would hold pressure. dirtybike screwed with this post 01-21-2013 at 03:34 PM Reason: Additional info

01-21-2013, 05:49 PM	#11
Jeff B Checks in the mail. Joined: Feb 2008 Location: SW PA. Oddometer: 3,065	__________________ Go ahead, pull my finger.

01-21-2013, 06:24 PM	#12
_cy_ Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2011 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Oddometer: 2,713	go to 3.15 ... guy is long winded __________________ Bringing BMW R90S back to life, R80G/S, LiFePO4 testing Which is more reliable ... Points or Electronic Ignition for Airheads?

01-22-2013, 11:20 AM	#13
pennswoodsed lizards,bugs and me Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Reading,Pa Oddometer: 532	dangerous practice No need to ever use ether or other explosive mixture to seat tire at home. YOU RISK DEATH OR WORSE WITH ETHER ! Maybe 100 mile from nearest service ^ ,other wise straps, remove valve core and 5 + hp compressor(10cfm) and proper technique will seat any tire . It might take more than 2 hands and it might take more than 2 tries ,but 3.50-4 to 11r24.5s will seat . Get someones help , another rider, tire tech ,somebody .

01-23-2013, 07:38 PM	#14
Bob Tosi ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Chico, Ca Oddometer: 1,589	I end up taking out the valve stem and using the mechanics compressor at work, industrial size. The front popped right into place. Thanks guys __________________ When you're lost in the wild and scared as a child. And death looks you bang in the eye, and your sore as a boil, its according to Hoyle to cock your revolver... and die. But the code of a man says "fight all you can" and self-dissolution is barred. In hunger and woe, its easy to blow... Its the hell-served-for-breakfast thats hard........Robert Service Bob Tosi screwed with this post 01-24-2013 at 11:56 AM

01-24-2013, 11:58 AM	#15
Bob Tosi ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Chico, Ca Oddometer: 1,589	Ok the rear is being a real pita! Can't get the bead to seat. I tried taking out the valve stem and using a high volume high pressure air and that wouldn't do it. Any ideas? __________________ When you're lost in the wild and scared as a child. And death looks you bang in the eye, and your sore as a boil, its according to Hoyle to cock your revolver... and die. But the code of a man says "fight all you can" and self-dissolution is barred. In hunger and woe, its easy to blow... Its the hell-served-for-breakfast thats hard........Robert Service

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