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Old 01-24-2013, 02:50 PM   #26956
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:06 PM   #26957
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yeah, just trying to figure out what problem it solves that makes it worth $1K,...

as it is, i typically only use one finger most of the time now anyway, and have the option of that being any one of 3; this seems like it would eliminate that choice of which finger to use, which might be OK in places that only have elevation changes in the double-digit range... (no pun intended!).



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Old 01-24-2013, 03:11 PM   #26958
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obviously not a true statement; clearly there are people who will buy anything, for "reasons" real or imagined.


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The question is whether top shelf equipment confers a performance benefit, irrespective of the rider. Pretty obviously the answer is yes, else no one would be using it.
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:15 PM   #26959
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of course if those "racers" were truly good, people would be *giving* them bikes,... clearly, buying new equipment isn't getting those guys there.

most of the serious racers i knew that were just outside the level of being good enough to have equipment given to them were too busy racing and training to be able to afford buying new stuff monthly or even annually, and were scraping to keep an econobox running well enough to get to the next race. the guys that are busy supporting the bicycling industry typically weren't the guys winning races.


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Odd that you should say that. The racers I'm acquainted with seem to upgrade components on a monthly basis, sometimes buying a whole new bike at the start of each racing season.
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:15 PM   #26960
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I broke my second set of sunringle flats a couple weeks ago, looking for a replacement in the $75 range. I have big feet, the more real estate the better.

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Old 01-24-2013, 03:20 PM   #26961
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pretty bad comparison; there's not likely to be any place in your equipment that can make as big of a difference in performance as your wheels, due to the rotating weight.

you can spend many multiples more on other parts of the bike that won't make anywhere near as much perceived difference as a good set of lighter wheels will provide.


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See, contrary to what most people here might assume, I'm actually quite miserly. Months ago, I balked at spending money for light weight rims, having convinced myself that the performance improvement (whatever it was) couldn't possibly justify getting rid of a set of perfectly good rims and spending an extra $500 for new ones. Luckily, I was able to get a set on loan for two weeks so I could see for myself. The difference in performance was HUGE. Not only was I able to increase my overall speed on the trails according to Strava, but also the amount of time I could ride without feeling fatigued. That why I can't take someone seriously when they make statements like, "It's %100 the rider." It's a ridiculous claim that's instantly refuted every time I ride.
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:26 PM   #26962
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while i can understand replacing something that's not working as well as you'd like, i have to question the shops that are giving you a story like that considering that 3x(5-6-7-8-9-10) has been working well in places that have elevation changes in the multiple thousands of feet for decades already... could it be they just don't have the experience setting the stuff up properly?

or,.. i don't suppose either of those shops sell the 1x10 setup, hmm?


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No, you're making a false assumption. The reason I want to swap out the drivetrain is because the stock 3x10 has given me constant problems, and it's gotten worse now that I'm doing very steep climbs. I've had the bike inspected at two shops, and both times I've been told that these problems are inherent to the way 3x10's are designed. Since both my chain and sprockets are due for replacement soon any way, this is the appropriate time for an upgrade.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:00 PM   #26963
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As far as I was concerned, 3 x 7 had plenty of gears for riding the mtns around VA Tech. I thought having that granny ring was the shiznit compared to what I had to push (7sp @ 39 x 24) on my road bike.

Then I went 8 and had a 16 AND a 23. Man o man was I in high cotton then!

9, 10, and now 11 aren't nearly as important as that step from 7 to 8 gears in the back.

re the frame: ...and I don't see how I can get any slower than I am now. Only way to go is up!

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Old 01-24-2013, 05:53 PM   #26964
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Anyone who's been riding for a decade or two is usually way past spending serious coin to replace a working part because they want something shiny and new, whether the benefit is perceived or concrete. That behavior screams normally screams Fred.

OTOH, if you have the funds and want to buy the latest and greatest, go for it. Be sure to post your KOMs...

That being said I have experienced riders getting a new charge out of a new frame (even a used frame new to them), a new set of a wheels, a new pair of shoes, or a new crankset.

It probably is purely mental, but if that get's them up a few minutes early or on the bike after a shitty day at work when they'd usually say, 'sod this.' then, who can bitch?

I surely look like a the BIGGEST fred out there with my Dura-Ace and high Castelli shorts on Sidi Genius. I have a new Eddy Merckx frame with a Campy headset and crank that I can't even bring myself to build yet because I'm so out of shape.

At least I'm having fun with it.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:50 PM   #26965
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It probably is purely mental, but if that get's them up a few minutes early or on the bike after a shitty day at work when they'd usually say, 'sod this.' then, who can bitch?
+1

I'm not nearly as willing to spend money on bike bits as I used to be, but the mini-dogpile on Aurelius over this has been pretty lame to watch.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:55 PM   #26966
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It probably is purely mental, but if that get's them up a few minutes early or on the bike after a shitty day at work when they'd usually say, 'sod this.' then, who can bitch?
If I lived in Florida, right now, I wouldn't need a new drivetrain to get me out of bed. I'd be out there with "Aurelius", as he's got great weather and even better trails. Besides, someone's gotta' buy the new stuff that I can't. And, I'm curious how it works out.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:11 PM   #26967
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In the end, this is all that matters.
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:07 AM   #26968
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In the end, this is all that matters.
Agreed

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Old 01-25-2013, 05:40 AM   #26969
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while i can understand replacing something that's not working as well as you'd like, i have to question the shops that are giving you a story like that considering that 3x(5-6-7-8-9-10) has been working well in places that have elevation changes in the multiple thousands of feet for decades already... could it be they just don't have the experience setting the stuff up properly?

or,.. i don't suppose either of those shops sell the 1x10 setup, hmm?
Neither of these shops are pushing the SRAM 1x11 setup. Most people these days seem to be running a 2x10. Local racers seem to favor a 1x10. My 3x10 always suffered from cross-chaining, but never as badly as it does when climbing very steep hills. Many times I found myself on the trail fiddling with the barrel adjusters to try and fix it, but it never goes away completely, and the fix is at best a temporary one. Another problem with my Superfly 100 is that it simply refuses to switch into the smallest gear in back when I'm out there riding it. It will when the bike is up on a stand, but not when it's being ridden. One of the techs tells me that it has to do with how the cable is routed, which causes it to go slack when the rear suspension is compressed. I'll be glad to see all this, and other more minor problems go away once the 1x11 system is installed.
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:48 AM   #26970
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If I lived in Florida, right now, I wouldn't need a new drivetrain to get me out of bed. I'd be out there with "Aurelius", as he's got great weather and even better trails.
Damned straight! 75F today and through the weekend. Can't wait to do all the red trails at Santos again.

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Besides, someone's gotta' buy the new stuff that I can't. And, I'm curious how it works out.
I've already got people lining up to test ride my bike once it has the XX1 system installed, including a couple of racers. Apparently mine will be the first bike in the area to have it. The local Trek and Niner dealer has asked me if I'd be willing to lend it to them for an evaluation. Right, it's not like I'm going to be riding it or anything.
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