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Old 01-23-2013, 07:30 PM   #15556
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I have not followed this thread completly but would like to throw something out to you.I was a salesperson at a large dealership for several years,both new and used.We learned the hard way that fuel injected atv`s would load up and foul plugs if we started ,moved them shut them off with out letting them warm completly.After a week or so this the plugs foul and it wont start without a new one.When the motor is cool it is running on a rich fuel circuit,when it warms it goes switches to normal.I don`t know if if this applies to this problem but a series of short runs can starting ploblems.Hope this can help .
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:36 PM   #15557
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Re: hard starting, as long as it starts in a few seconds after going WFO, WhoTF cares????????????

Of all the things to anguish about.... jeez.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:45 PM   #15558
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Bragged that I never had the hard start. Bragged that I never wash the bike and then start it to move it. Bragged that I never cycle the key without starting the bike and allowing it to reach operating temp before shutting it down. (~140F)

Then, away from home, after it sat in the hangar all day, I inadvertently hit the starter button and released it before it actually fired up. When she didn't start immediately on the second try, I knew what I was experiencing. Went to half throttle then wide open over about 4 seconds time. She lit. Unhappily though.

So, all I know is she is as reliable as Dallara's and GrahamD's if I don't do anything out of the ordinary. But I won't tempt her again. NEVER touch that button without letting her start AND run long enough to go "full cycle"

Computers. ECU's. FI. FBWire. Hmmmmph. Combined, they are like the garden of eden. Really nice. But don't break the ONE rule they have or they punish you.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:16 PM   #15559
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Bragged that I never had the hard start. Bragged that I never wash the bike and then start it to move it. Bragged that I never cycle the key without starting the bike and allowing it to reach operating temp before shutting it down. (~140F)
Most religions seem to have something to say about that

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Then, away from home, after it sat in the hangar all day, I inadvertently hit the starter button and released it before it actually fired up. When she didn't start immediately on the second try, I knew what I was experiencing. Went to half throttle then wide open over about 4 seconds time. She lit. Unhappily though.
That is part of the reason for doing it. As you are now aware parts of Australia outside Victoria can be a bit detrimental to your health if you get stuck.

So I want to know the signs and solutions is it happens. I also want to know how it happens so I can avoid it.
because of the interwebs I knew pretty much, in theory, how to deal with it.

I now know how many times the battery will start the bike (30+) without a recharge.

I have also short cycled, started and shut down the bike twice since the hard start and it hasn't missed a beat. The only difference being the battery is now completely charged,

And if I think back on the days of carburetors, I'm not complaining. Really. No more sticky slides, rotating venturis, pump circuits not working, linkages unbolting themselves mid corner...bla bla bla..

I know, all operator error.

They still sell DCOE Webers you know.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:54 PM   #15560
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Dave6,

Good job on that pipe... did you post that video over here ? Maybe a few customers might be interested in that pipe and sound ? Sounds great !
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:57 AM   #15561
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Dave6,

Good job on that pipe... did you post that video over here ? Maybe a few customers might be interested in that pipe and sound ? Sounds great !
Yup its in here somewhere between all the hard starting stuff.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:40 AM   #15562
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Clearly the S10 DOES have a starting issue

Regardless of "know it all" convincing everyone here that it's all in their head and they don't know how to start a motorcycle.

Sure it doesn't happen all the time. But it does happen and it's happened to mine twice and I was never a dealer, mechanic, expert cycle starter, Internet novel writer but it happen twice out of the blue. I won't bore everyone the details with my two no starts but I can go fiddle with the key on any of my suzukis and they crank regardless. Now I am certain I've opened myself up to the so said superior "know it all" who basically just calls us all idiots in a 1000 word novel of BS. I honestly don't care to engage in that stupidity. It's simple, you turn the key, flip the on off switch it either cranks or it doesn't no magic mouth help properly, no luck, no Internet help, it's basic.

Mine simply did it once while stalling up the toy hauler ramp, wot helped that time. Second time much worse. Worked on auxiliary lights one afternoon, bike was hot and had been running. I even cranked it afterward and the cooling fan was on. Week later rolled it out to go for a errand, bam it turned over popped and never fired again. 30 minutes later after pulling the FI fuse and turning it over it fired once I reinstalled the FI fuse.

So there is no problem, hmmm I'd say yes there is and it's in the electronics. Like I said I can go fiddle with both '11 model suzukis anyway I want and they'll come to life with the roar of a tiger.

But keep chasing that start procedure and I'll continue to be entertained here by it all. Some of this bs that's been spewed is quite simply that bs!!

BTW my throttle cables are loose with slack
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:47 AM   #15563
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I love Dallara. :) And he has helped quite a few folks on forums.

Don't think he is a know it all. But he definitely is a know-a-lot!

Having defended him though, I would just LOVE for him to have a hard-start!
It would make my day. (Evil grin)


And I still think Rockport drivers suck! (2nd evil grin)
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:59 PM   #15564
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Re: hard starting, as long as it starts in a few seconds after going WFO, WhoTF cares????????????

Of all the things to anguish about.... jeez.
Pah, that's nothing.

When I has a GSA I followed a thread on UKGSer that rambled on for weeks about the length of time the indicators (turn signals) stayed on. In the UK we have 300m, 200m and 100m count down markers before motorway (highway) exits and the discussion centered around at which marker point it would be best to turn them on.

It was so sad it was funny.

We really have no problems with the Yam
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:20 PM   #15565
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Pah, that's nothing.

When I has a GSA I followed a thread on UKGSer that rambled on for weeks about the length of time the indicators (turn signals) stayed on.
I better check that. We might have a hard signaling problem as well..
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:42 PM   #15566
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DS Bike Protection Tool Box.

Hey folks.. just fitted one of these to my S10. I have a question to any other inmates who may have used one of these.. does it rest against the OEM pannier or is there a gap?

http://dsbikeprotection.com/en/Yamah...l#.UQH996X5FI4

Mine came with no instructions and at first I fitted it up and it rested against the inside of the pannier.

I remounted it by changing around the "order" of where the hangers go on the bolt in relation to the grab handle/spacers etc and it now has clearance.

Is this the right way?

Good looking well made unit.

I just wonder if the hangers should be a bit thicker??
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:47 PM   #15567
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Well my bikes starts in in about 1/2 revolution of the crank.. Even with no forks installed...

But I did install the shifter zert.. Don't have to take it off and clean it any longer !




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Old 01-24-2013, 11:04 PM   #15568
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Shift lever's looking pretty rusty, you should hit it with some black Rustoleum.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:19 PM   #15569
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Shift lever's looking pretty rusty, you should hit it with some black Rustoleum.
LOL.....

Looking good Jaxon!
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:11 AM   #15570
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Why???

Why do you have that upside down plunger looking thing attached to the underside of your shifter?







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