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Old 01-24-2013, 03:52 AM   #16
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I have tucked in behind big rigs out on the plains on the interstates. The speeds are 75-80mph. Usually a quartering headwind too when heading west. I wouldn't call it drafting because I'm not that close, but those big box trailers can carve a hole in the wind for you to ride in. The problem is it can be fairly turbulent and tiring.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:57 AM   #17
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Drafting just seems like playing Russian Roulette...
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:41 AM   #18
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I have tucked in behind big rigs out on the plains on the interstates. The speeds are 75-80mph. Usually a quartering headwind too when heading west. I wouldn't call it drafting because I'm not that close, but those big box trailers can carve a hole in the wind for you to ride in. The problem is it can be fairly turbulent and tiring.
If headwinds or quartering winds are bad, I just lay out on the tank and tuck tight behind the screen. I can do that for hours with very little fatigue and my bike is not much affected either mileage wise or handling wise. I realize that some bikes handle wind worse than others, but tucking in behind a moving billboard of death seems like a bad idea to me.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:41 PM   #19
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More to drafting than staying close to the vehicle (and in danger). When behind a slow vehicle, drop back before passing, when you are ready to pass, speed up, (that is at the proper time) and then pass the vehicle when you have a nice head of speed. This depends a bit on knowing the road.

Learned this driving a 240 ci Ford Pickup... and it works well on a WRR250R too.
Learned this on my CB350F. Drop way back, drop 2 gears and get a good head of steam rolling while the oncoming traffic's still coming. Time it right and you're ready to change lanes by the time traffic's clear. Always did the same thing when i knew a passing zone was coming on the road. Southern ohio passing zones just aren't long enough for a 350F sometimes without a little pre planning. On the KTM 625 motard... the world is your passing zone .
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:04 PM   #20
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More to drafting than staying close to the vehicle (and in danger). When behind a slow vehicle, drop back before passing, when you are ready to pass, speed up, (that is at the proper time) and then pass the vehicle when you have a nice head of speed. This depends a bit on knowing the road.

Learned this driving a 240 ci Ford Pickup... and it works well on a WRR250R too.
Just be careful in gusty cross winds. You may find yourself blown back into the rear end of the vehicle you are trying to pass. Luckily, when this happened to me I was on a sportbike with strong brakes.

The only thing I will draft behind is my buddy's R1, and only because I know he isn't going to brake check me. The pocket is really small though. (wait, that didn't sound right )
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:20 AM   #21
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I read a great account of a really experience courier (2 million miles). He was describing following a small truck with a 4 wheel rear axel. He was distracted by what the thing between two of the wheels was. The moment he realised it was a housebrick, it came loose and hit him in the visor, nearly KOing him!

On top of that, you've got stuff on the road that cars will just drive over: I've encountered roadkill, 1'x8' roll of carpet, a length of 2x4, really thick gravel (for the tyres I was running) and big potholes. When you have space in front of you, you can move to avoid them. When you have a third of a second after they emerge from under the vehicle in front, you aren't going to be able to a lot of the time.

Tailing people closely for any length of time, even when you're confident you can outbrake them and you're paying attention = bad idea, in my book.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:02 AM   #22
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I don't know why I'm always surprised at the number of truely stupid people.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:08 AM   #23
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I don't know why I'm always surprised at the number of truely stupid people.
To each his own. You're probably not that bright a bulb yourself.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:25 AM   #24
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...even when you're confident you can outbrake them and you're paying attention = bad idea, in my book.
A motorcycle cannot outbrake cars, trucks, or even 18 wheelers.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:03 AM   #25
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To each his own. You're probably not that bright a bulb yourself.
I agree, to each their own, that's why I have no advice for anyone on this matter, and I may not be the brightest bulb but I'm sure as hell smart enough to know not to draft a tractor trailer and that certainly makes me smarter than some of the people here.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:37 AM   #26
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A motorcycle cannot outbrake cars, trucks, or even 18 wheelers.
What? My 625 SMC will outbrake any vehicle i've ever owned. Then again, they've all been old peices of shit. No way would a loaded semi stop faster than it.

Not saying i would draft a semi because of that though.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:55 AM   #27
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It's not about what vehicle can out brake another, it's about reaction time. I don't care who you are, it takes at least 1/2 second for your brain to realize you need to brake or take action and another 1/2 second for your fingers to get from the grip to on the brake. At 65 MPH you have covered about 95 feet and you haven't even started slowing down yet. By drafting, you give up your view of the road ahead so everything that happens to you is a surprise.

AND I haven't even touched on the issue of riding in a "No Zone" or "blind spot"

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Old 01-25-2013, 09:33 AM   #28
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It's not about what vehicle can out brake another, it's about reaction time. I don't care who you are, it takes at least 1/2 second for your brain to realize you need to brake or take action and another 1/2 second for your fingers to get from the grip to on the brake. At 65 MPH you have covered about 95 feet and you haven't even started slowing down yet. By drafting, you give up your view of the road ahead so everything that happens to you is a surprise.

AND I haven't even touched on the issue of riding in a "No Zone" or "blind spot"
Since you are the expert, why not tell us what you consider a safe distance?...Maybe you have a few other tips you've learned. Your take on countersteering maybe?
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:37 AM   #29
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Another little tidbit you won't hear much about is a certain breed of drivers that drive as teams. They have an access panel in the sleeper floor and do their business through that rather than stop. You really don't want to be behind them at that point!
As amusing as that is, it's BS
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:44 AM   #30
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Since you are the expert, why not tell us what you consider a safe distance?...Maybe you have a few other tips you've learned. Your take on countersteering maybe?
2 seconds is what is taught in driving schools, I prefer 3 seconds
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