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Old 01-22-2013, 07:58 PM   #31
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I have been thinking of buying Husqvarna's TE449, and trying to live with the narrow ratio 6speed, or KTM's 450exc and taking a chance on reliability. (I know, I've heard both sides).
Because nothing else comes close to want I want in a weekender motorcycle. Other than Suzuki's DR650 which IMO is just a bit too much of a good thing.

So....YES I will buy one of these! IF it has a wide-ratio 6 speed.
The looks are right on the money for what I want!!!

Can't wait for more info.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:01 PM   #32
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Not the 450 EXC, but the 350/500 EXC. Newer tech; rave reviews.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:09 AM   #33
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sooooo..... even if that service column is 10000, you are still supposed to replace the crank & bearings at 10,000k (6000 miles)?? thats a summer's ridin'.... mebby 2 tops. that would give one pause... an expensive total rebuild every couple years... not interested if that is the case

on the other hand, I need the bike this represents.... as noted, wide ratio 6 speed, injected, 40+ hp, (50 is better), decent suspension, lighter than a DR, enough stator power to run a vest & some lights.... possibly a bigger gastank

who will deliver?
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:21 AM   #34
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:15 AM   #35
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sooooo..... even if that service column is 10000, you are still supposed to replace the crank & bearings at 10,000k (6000 miles)?? thats a summer's ridin'.... mebby 2 tops. that would give one pause... an expensive total rebuild every couple years... not interested if that is the case...
I would agree, although I imagine the figures on that service sheet refer to 'competition use', as the G450X engine/bike was originally designed as a competitor to the other European Enduro bikes, and the Husky TE449 continues that tradition of a 'hard enduro' (to use KTM's nomenclature).

I'm sure if used in the role CCM have in mind for it (ie. 'trail' riding), then the requirement for major servicing/component replacement is far lower and intervals can be significantly extended? - similar to EXCs etc used for dual-sport riding?

Sure a small sump [if they haven't increased oil capacity] means typically 1000 mile oil changes to be safe, but I imagine the rest of the internals shouldn't need much attention in day to day use?

I guess there is always going to be a compromise [particularly for small manufacturers who have to buy-in engines] as there are very few modern 450cc engines to choose from that aren't competition orientated these days?

At least this BMW engine produces good power for it's size and weight, which means the overall package should be far more nimble than the 650cc class adventure bikes...

I think what CCM have done here is essentially produced an off-the-shelf 'adventurised' European Enduro bike - it may not suit everyone, but at least that option is now out there?

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Old 01-23-2013, 01:31 AM   #36
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Sure a small sump [if they haven't increased oil capacity
means typically 1000 mile oil changes to be safe, but I imagine the rest of the internals shouldn't need much attention in day to day use?

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if you look at bartons experience with his 70degree berg from the husaberg adventure team (ok its a 570 but essentially the same engine as the 450/390) he's changing oil on average every 40 hours compared to the 15 hours in the manual and an oil filter every 2nd or 3rd oil change. he's clocked up over 20,000miles now with no ill affects and no need to adjust valves etc after riding back from the record attempt in south america back to north america, so these competition engines can be very good in a non race enviroment
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:28 AM   #37
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if you look at bartons experience with his 70degree berg from the husaberg adventure team (ok its a 570 but essentially the same engine as the 450/390) he's changing oil on average every 40 hours compared to the 15 hours in the manual and an oil filter every 2nd or 3rd oil change. he's clocked up over 20,000miles now with no ill affects and no need to adjust valves etc after riding back from the record attempt in south america back to north america, so these competition engines can be very good in a non race enviroment
Yes- similarly I have a friend who did over 17,000 miles on a KTM400EXC (admittedly the older RFS design) trail riding and traveling in both Spain and Morocco, with nothing but regular oil changes and a valve check once a year...

Even her current generation 400EXC has been to Spain and back with no problems - well, other than the limited comfort from the stock seat... that engine is sound too...

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Old 01-23-2013, 04:39 AM   #38
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They could increase the oil capacity by adding some in the frame like other bikes. Could add another 500-600ml, wouldn't that increase oil change intervals?
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:24 AM   #39
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sooooo..... even if that service column is 10000, you are still supposed to replace the crank & bearings at 10,000k (6000 miles)?? thats a summer's ridin'.... mebby 2 tops. that would give one pause... an expensive total rebuild every couple years... not interested if that is the case

on the other hand, I need the bike this represents.... as noted, wide ratio 6 speed, injected, 40+ hp, (50 is better), decent suspension, lighter than a DR, enough stator power to run a vest & some lights.... possibly a bigger gastank

who will deliver?
is this true? the maintenance part of the 449 etc?
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:45 AM   #40
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sooooo..... even if that service column is 10000, you are still supposed to replace the crank & bearings at 10,000k (6000 miles)?? thats a summer's ridin'.... mebby 2 tops. that would give one pause... an expensive total rebuild every couple years... not interested if that is the case

on the other hand, I need the bike this represents.... as noted, wide ratio 6 speed, injected, 40+ hp, (50 is better), decent suspension, lighter than a DR, enough stator power to run a vest & some lights.... possibly a bigger gastank

who will deliver?
The KTM 530 EXC I sold in spring 2012 had 450 hours on it when it left - the motor had never been any further apart than valve checks and a few shims.

Burned no oil and still had OK leak down numbers, more off road than on road use as well. Not my choice for running down the highway at 100 km/h but I would not be afraid of racking up the mileage on one. The new owner decided to freshen it up over this winter whereas I may have left it for one more year, depending on what the valve adjustments, oil burn and leak down tests told me.

Replaced with a Husky TXC 449 (kissing cousin to the TE 449, same engine but a little bit different suspension) and I am already over the same column (10,000km in Street Usage) in the "Competition Use" Maintenance Schedule (70 Hours) and have no intention of worrying about a lot of the recommended 70 hour replacements till at least 250-280 hours.

Edit:
The emission passing Husky 449's are ~46.5HP (crank) and ~51HP (crank) with the power up kit and Akro exhaust (but no longer meeting emissions).

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Old 01-23-2013, 01:33 PM   #41
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:20 AM   #42
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I'd love to see one in the States but this is likely as close as I am going to get....
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:17 PM   #43
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I'm sorry, but a narrow 5-speed transmission is DEAD-ON-ARRIVAL here.
... a properly spaced 6-speed is better for these applications.
Have you forwarded your contact details to the various R&D departments?

If not, please do... exactly what I will be looking for.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:36 PM   #44
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nice but...

Not enough chrome for the usa.... we love harley davidson, chrome and excess weight... add a chrome plated, lead anchor with a loud pipe and it will be perfect for the Ol' USA
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