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Old 01-26-2013, 12:24 AM   #61
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Sold this stuff for a while, Then took some old fuel we pulled out of a tank and double dosed it to see if anything happened. We checked it every month to see if any change nothing in a year and a half, save your money. If you want fuel storage buy av gas 100LL it will last atleast 2 yrs and I have been told by pilots as long as 5 yrs. We just got a station to carry ethanol free 89 oct best stuff for everyday use. Stay away from ethanol it just a get rich scheme by the DC clowns and friends.
While the LL may mean low lead, it has more lead than the old leaded pump gas. It will kill oxygen sensor and catalytic converters fast and is illegal to use on the street because of the lead.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:51 AM   #62
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I wonder what magic (other than maybe $$$) is in the newer Stihl syn 2 cycle oil that causes them to give a double length warranty on new machines with purchase of that oil? Makes you think it may just be better for real reasons.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:44 AM   #63
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Once again you don't know what you are talking about. Startron can convert phase separated fuel into a burnable fuel. Your sta-bil can't do that. Please quit posting your stupid non-knowledgeable remarks in these threads.
Can you describe the chemistry for this?
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:23 AM   #64
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I'm a HAZMAT certified Firefighter. We had a class on alcohol fuels and part of the class involved fuel additives. We checked every one we could find. Star tron did absolutely nothing to the alcohol in the gas. Green Stabil worked as did K100. All the others did nothing. Don't waste your money.
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:06 AM   #65
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I wonder what magic (other than maybe $$$) is in the newer Stihl syn 2 cycle oil that causes them to give a double length warranty on new machines with purchase of that oil? Makes you think it may just be better for real reasons.
Magic.....Promotional gimmick more than anything else.

http://en.stihl.ca/p/media/download/en-ca/Stihl_Two_Stroke_Engine_Oil__MSDS_CA.pdf
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:01 PM   #66
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I'm a HAZMAT certified Firefighter. We had a class on alcohol fuels and part of the class involved fuel additives. We checked every one we could find. Star tron did absolutely nothing to the alcohol in the gas. Green Stabil worked as did K100. All the others did nothing. Don't waste your money.
Please explain more............what was test and how was it determined that some of these products "did nothing"????? Did nothing as far fire fighting or nothing as far as preventing storage problems???

Hope a petroleum engineer or chemist was teaching the class........
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:26 PM   #67
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I wonder what magic (other than maybe $$$) is in the newer Stihl syn 2 cycle oil that causes them to give a double length warranty on new machines with purchase of that oil? Makes you think it may just be better for real reasons.
I think this is merely a sales incentive to get people to use a MODERN, HIGH QUALITY SYNTHETIC in their quality built engines and realize the full durability potential. SOOOOOOOOOOOO many two strokes die an early death at the hands of knuckle draggers using cheap shit, low quality dino oil not meeting the spec for the screaming saw engines. A great hook.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:06 PM   #68
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Magic.....Promotional gimmick more than anything else.

http://en.stihl.ca/p/media/download/en-ca/Stihl_Two_Stroke_Engine_Oil__MSDS_CA.pdf
Perhaps, but when a company doubles the warranty on the use of that oil which your going to buy something anyway is a powerful statement as they have a cost associated with that warranty if it doesn't stand up. I'm trying it for the 2st time with my new Stihl big backpack blower and it is I think specified for that 4stroke/oil/fuel engine
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:08 PM   #69
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Magic.....Promotional gimmick more than anything else.

http://en.stihl.ca/p/media/download/en-ca/Stihl_Two_Stroke_Engine_Oil__MSDS_CA.pdf
This link goes to dino oil, not syn. I'm not defending the stuff but am going to try/use the supply I've got.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:28 PM   #70
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This link goes to dino oil, not syn. I'm not defending the stuff but am going to try/use the supply I've got.
You know, I bought a brand new Stihl chain saw a couple...three years back. The oil they sold me that doubled the warranty IS NOT synthetic. Just plain Stihl Premium 2 stroke oil. But it does say on it "with fuel stabilizer added". Blended and packaged in Canada.

Hum,warranty is over and never even used all that oil....or the warranty.
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I guess you got me there... 6 and 16 oz. bottles I stand corrected and informed.
Cases of gallons get burned here, with a case of quarts for "take-a-longs" http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...r-2-cycle-oil/ http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produc...r-2-cycle-oil/

For the 2-1/2 gallon can of chainsaw gas, I always add stabilizer because it may sit for MONTHS in the equipment. All depends how little yard work I can do.
Sign me up for one of those "275 Gallon Totes" of Amsoil 2 stroke oil - it'll last me a lifetime, and afterwards it'd make a dandy coffin and the leftover oil would be enough to preserve me mortal remains.

What the hell, it's only $8800.
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Timely post on another forum: http://www.accessnorton.com/four-yea...as-t15459.html
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:09 PM   #73
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Canadian fuel....NO Ethanol most times of the year.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:31 PM   #74
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FWIW the 97 Conc that I got ran lousy, prolly from sitting too much. Conc carbs are famous for having teeny tiny EZ to clog passages.

Being a lazy bastard (the carbs needed to be r/r for cleaning) I tried a # of the diff snake oils, Seafoam, Berrymans, Techron, etc. Nothing seemed to help. Then did the Star Tron dance...& eventually it got all betta. Glory freekin halelujah! Now run it only every 2 or 3 weeks & add a taste of ST, no worries.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:43 AM   #75
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Anyone dug up the science behind the "enzymes" yet? That's commonly used in diesel tanks to kill the bacterias.....in the marine industry where I work anyway.Otherwise bacterial growth can sure plug up filters and lines.

Anyway, I just opened up the tank on my Canadian bike. Ran a lot of US gas in it last year and now seems to be a coating of "something" all over the tank.Slightly slimey at first but now dried out. Could it be bacterias....????? I could maybe find out if I can scrape some out and pass that on to my sister, that's what she does for a living, look at bacterias and assorted other cooties.

So maybe there could be something to Enzyme treatments. Hum....time to cut open that fuel filter anyway, hope it is cleaner than the last one I opened after much running on US gas.

I am not a big fan of Ethanol but even in the days before it, my Canadian specs R100GS never liked American gas in general, even with premium pinging and reduced performance happened all too often down there. Not so much with this EFI bike, only once with high altitude gasoline and could have been a fluke fron filling up in an out of the way place but fuel milleage sure drops when I am down there.
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