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Old 01-28-2013, 02:23 AM   #28381
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There are quite a few legal advantages to having your concealed carry permit even of you don't plan on carrying. For example, you can keep your range bag in your car instead of the trunk of you have your CCW. Weird loopholes are out there in gun laws and the CCW closes quite a surprising few of them.
Good advice. When I first moved here 20 years ago you needed a "hunting and shooting permit" to transport a handgun to the range. When I went to the police station to get one the officer told me to just get a carry license instead since it's less restrictive, so that's what I've always had. I rarely carry concealed, but I never have to worry about if I'm following the letter of the law when going to the range. Loaded, unloaded, locked in a case, sitting in my armrest, ammo nearby, or ammo in the trunk. It doesn't matter so I don't have to worry about getting caught in a technicality during a traffic stop.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:53 AM   #28382
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There are quite a few legal advantages to having your concealed carry permit even of you don't plan on carrying. For example, you can keep your range bag in your car instead of the trunk of you have your CCW. Weird loopholes are out there in gun laws and the CCW closes quite a surprising few of them.
How you transport differs greatly between states....check into your local laws if you have any questions.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:47 AM   #28383
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Something is wrong with the P 238. I have shot mine a lot and not had one misfire. Never seen it listed as an issue before. My glock 23 on the other hand has started failing to extract. Trying to sort that out.
Is that a Generation 4 G23? I think some of the early versions of the Gen 4 pistols had some extractor issues that Glock took care of.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:27 AM   #28384
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How you transport differs greatly between states....check into your local laws if you have any questions.
Does anyone know where I can find this info for several states, maybe in a single source? I would like to bring my hand guns and rifles with me on a trip to Virginia. Coming outta CT, that means, NY PA, MD, WV, & VA and maybe NJ, DE depending on route choice. I would probably take the least restrictive, trouble-free route depending. (if I can even go through NY!)
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:37 AM   #28385
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http://www.handgunlaw.us/

I recall the lines "...advised to use extreme caution when transporting any firearm..." about New Jersey and Maryland (maybe NY too?)

I travel that corridor frequently, going back and forth to Vermont. I am very careful about obeying traffic laws

Basically, locked container in the trunk separate from the ammunition.

Some states have magazine restrictions (10?) and ammo type restrictions as well (no hollow point)- I might be thinking about Mass though.

There is a federal law which allows transport from a place where you are legal to a place where you are legal, so long as you don't stop, but that would be small consolation if you ended up in the pokey somewhere. and it doesn't speak to things like magazine size or bullet types.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:39 AM   #28386
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Does anyone know where I can find this info for several states, maybe in a single source? I would like to bring my hand guns and rifles with me on a trip to Virginia. Coming outta CT, that means, NY PA, MD, WV, & VA and maybe NJ, DE depending on route choice. I would probably take the least restrictive, trouble-free route depending. (if I can even go through NY!)


www.usacarry.com

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws.aspx

http://handgunlaw.us/

ETA: I would avoid NY, NJ if at all possible. Both states routinely ignore FOPA, and will jack you up if at all possible.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:50 AM   #28387
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Does anyone know where I can find this info for several states, maybe in a single source? I would like to bring my hand guns and rifles with me on a trip to Virginia. Coming outta CT, that means, NY PA, MD, WV, & VA and maybe NJ, DE depending on route choice. I would probably take the least restrictive, trouble-free route depending. (if I can even go through NY!)
Federal law allows interstate transport as long as the weapon is unloaded, cased, and in the trunk or out of reach if there's no trunk. Just don't mess with it while traveling.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:20 AM   #28388
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Federal law allows interstate transport as long as the weapon is unloaded, cased, and in the trunk or out of reach if there's no trunk. Just don't mess with it while traveling.
yes, unless you're traveling in NY or NJ.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:24 AM   #28389
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Good News, Brownells updated their inventory and just had now refreshed their online availability. So a new bolt was ordered today. Thanks everyone for the suggestions, I was very down about this as the Colt has a lot of sentimental value.

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Old 01-28-2013, 08:37 AM   #28390
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yes, unless you're traveling in NY or NJ.
Federal law is federal law in all 50 states. It applies to interstate transport, and preempts state law. This law was passed to allow citizens to transport their firearms through gun-unfriendly states to get to a state where they could use them legally. The kicker is that you have to be just passing through and they must remain locked up during that passage. I carry a lock box in my truck for just this purpose.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:47 AM   #28391
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Does anyone know where I can find this info for several states, maybe in a single source? I would like to bring my hand guns and rifles with me on a trip to Virginia. Coming outta CT, that means, NY PA, MD, WV, & VA and maybe NJ, DE depending on route choice. I would probably take the least restrictive, trouble-free route depending. (if I can even go through NY!)
I would not depend on websites and such like that for your info....with the current climate it is best to error on the side of caution.

This is what I would do.....and I work for a sheriffs office and I did ask around here this is what they told me:

Call the states highway patrol, ask them.....then ask them where you can go to get a print-out of that info....keep that with you.

This should only come in handy if you have a traffic accident, things get stolen, or someone sees you taking cases out of your trunk and into your hotel room...stuff like that. They suggested that you take the guns in the hotel and leave the ammo in the car locked up and out of sight.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:32 AM   #28392
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Federal law is federal law in all 50 states. It applies to interstate transport, and preempts state law. This law was passed to allow citizens to transport their firearms through gun-unfriendly states to get to a state where they could use them legally. The kicker is that you have to be just passing through and they must remain locked up during that passage. I carry a lock box in my truck for just this purpose.

Yes, I get that. Federal laws and all. What I'm saying is that those two states basically ignore it.

There's plenty of examples of people who have been fucked over doing what the laws says they should do available on the innerwebs. The better ones are usually for folks that have flights diverted to NYC that have checked firearms in their luggage.

Go on quoting the law- it's meaningless in those hellholes. I won't crap up this thread any more on this topic.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:33 AM   #28393
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i know this is a pretty informal gun thread, and it's cool that you seem fairly calm about the problem with your glock. however, glock malfunctions aren't/shouldn't be too common. can you give us some more info so other owners/prospective owners can understand what you are dealing with?

age of magazine?
same problem with different magazines?
age of gun?
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any modifications to gun?
Bought the gun in 1992 and still have the original magazines. Has not been shot much until about a year ago. (I'd guess less than 2000 rounds through it though I don't track it)
I need to check the second magazine to see if its doing the same thing as the one I know I'm having issues with. I originally thought it was likely due to the gun not properly being broken down and cleaned in detail. (wasn't fully up to speed on that) so that was my first attempt at solving the issue. I have since done a complete breakdown and cleaning and it is still failing to extract. Note I'm being very specific when I say failing to extract. The spent round is only being pulled about half way out of the chamber so it leads me to believe that its not properly "grabbing" it in its attempt to extract.
Been shooting Winchester White Box and American Eagle and it seems to fail with both.
The only modification to the gun is a Crimson Trace aftermarket laser.
I did some looking on another "Glock" related site and when others have had similar issues its been blamed on "Limp Wristing" it during firing. Guess that is possible as I'm not super experienced and the problem does seem to come up during the 3rd magazine load and later (when I'm less diligent in my form from the beating I'm taking). If anyone has shot a 23 they tend to be a bit whippy and frankly I don't find it a lot of "fun" to shoot. By that I mean its not a gun I want to put 100 rounds through at a time. But I really do like it as a SD weapon and would just like to get back to where I can count on it to perform. I want to be able to shoot it enough to be familiar with it and have it go bang pretty much every time. Otherwise its going to have to come out of the SD rotation.
Need to get back out to the range and really focus on form, what magazine I'm using and also run some SD ammo through it again to see if it hangs up with the SD ammo.
I really appreciate the interest in the problem and welcome any constructive input. As I said, I'm far from an expert on the gun and I'd really like to get it sorted out so I can depend on it.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:04 AM   #28394
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From your symptoms I would look closely at the extractor claw. I have a G23 3rd Generation (about 3 years old) and it always extracts. As far as the limp-wristing goes, I'm not sure how much that really is a problem. I reload my own ammo, and for my 40, since I don't like the real snappiness of full power ammo, Ioad them down to about 800 fps with 155 grain bullets. So I'm thinking my loading slower like that would have more effect on extracting than limp wristing with full power loads, and I still don't have problems.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:30 AM   #28395
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Bought the gun in 1992 and still have the original magazines. Has not been shot much until about a year ago. (I'd guess less than 2000 rounds through it though I don't track it)
I need to check the second magazine to see if its doing the same thing as the one I know I'm having issues with. I originally thought it was likely due to the gun not properly being broken down and cleaned in detail. (wasn't fully up to speed on that) so that was my first attempt at solving the issue. I have since done a complete breakdown and cleaning and it is still failing to extract. Note I'm being very specific when I say failing to extract. The spent round is only being pulled about half way out of the chamber so it leads me to believe that its not properly "grabbing" it in its attempt to extract.
Been shooting Winchester White Box and American Eagle and it seems to fail with both.
The only modification to the gun is a Crimson Trace aftermarket laser.
I did some looking on another "Glock" related site and when others have had similar issues its been blamed on "Limp Wristing" it during firing. Guess that is possible as I'm not super experienced and the problem does seem to come up during the 3rd magazine load and later (when I'm less diligent in my form from the beating I'm taking). If anyone has shot a 23 they tend to be a bit whippy and frankly I don't find it a lot of "fun" to shoot. By that I mean its not a gun I want to put 100 rounds through at a time. But I really do like it as a SD weapon and would just like to get back to where I can count on it to perform. I want to be able to shoot it enough to be familiar with it and have it go bang pretty much every time. Otherwise its going to have to come out of the SD rotation.
Need to get back out to the range and really focus on form, what magazine I'm using and also run some SD ammo through it again to see if it hangs up with the SD ammo.
I really appreciate the interest in the problem and welcome any constructive input. As I said, I'm far from an expert on the gun and I'd really like to get it sorted out so I can depend on it.

limp wristing could be a problem, but i would think that is something you would have experienced when you bought the gun years ago. however, it sounds like you don't like shooting that caliber, so you might consider switching to a 9mm glock that you'll enjoy more.

can you have someone else shoot the gun? that way you could rule out the limp wristing thing.

especially if you've kept them loaded up, the magazine springs should be replaced after all those years. glock has also upgraded the followers (part on top of the spring) so you should just replace the whole magazine.

good news is, once you've safely unloaded gun, there's nothing you can do to hurt it or yourself.

look around online and order a glock tool ($8). watch a few youtube videos that show how to disassemble the gun. when you order the tool, also order an extractor and springs. if you're going to keep the gun, might as well replace all the small wear items.

including new magazines, you'll spend closer to $50 than $100. in the process of taking it apart and putting it back together, you can give it a really good cleaning. i'd be really surprised if you have any hiccups after that.

back to my first point though, if you don't enjoy shooting 40 cal, i don't think it's worth it to own that gun. sell it and buy a glock 19 (9mm). if you're going to carry a pistol, you should be really comfortable practicing with it. if you're flinching, limp wristing, or otherwise anticipating the recoil, you'll never be a good shooter.

some might say, just buy a revolver. not bad advice. but you'll still need to have good form in order to hit your target. i've seen new shooters unable to hit a full size target from 10 feet because they anticipate the bang and jerk the gun when they pull the trigger.
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