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Old 01-29-2013, 11:19 AM   #73276
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Yep, there could be many reasons why a clutch would need replacing before 15k miles on a DR, but the most likely reason is stated above...the po just plain wore it out through his riding style.
I'm always suspicious of replaced parts like clutches on lower mileage machinery.....makes me wonder what other hidden wear and tear the machine went through to prematurely wear out the clutch.
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My exact concern. I thought 15K was a bit early for a new clutch. As I am in no rush I am going to pass on it. Even if it is a good price. A nicer one will show up before it gets warm enough for me to ride here.
A very good point ... and valid reason for concern. When buying ... and I've bought over 50 bikes ... a good idea to have close look at the seller. How is his garage kept? Does he keep maintenance logs? Lots can be learned from his answers regards maintenance or "fixes" he has done on the bike.

All that said ... as I said before ... the DR is a pretty tough customer and can handle abuse well. Still ... a hard used bike would never be my first choice. Good luck! Good shopping.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:21 AM   #73277
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:22 AM   #73278
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I have always cut strips of HD innertubes and squeezed them between the frame and skidplate on all my bikes. I think that much of what people are hearing is the plate vibrating harmonically. This may not be enough for some of you. The DR650 is the quietest bike I have ever owned, I've never had a streetbike so I can't compare what others perceive as noisey.

You definitely want closed cell foam,(like GSF suggests) especially offraod. The bufferpad will soon be adobe. Think about using a "pool noodle" or foam pipe insulation instead.
I also used HD innertube stripes on all places where frame contacts skid plate. Not sure how much it helped but seems OK. Spraying with some sound deadening stuff can't hurt. More the quieter.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:51 PM   #73279
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What size socket do I need for that primary nut. My searches have come up empty ...
I did mine a few months ago. I believe it is a 30mm. Had to go to an auto parts store to get one. Pep boys! Hope yours is not as loose as mine was. Mine ate a bunch of the clutch basket apart on the back. Enough that I decided to replace it. Good luck!

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Old 01-29-2013, 12:54 PM   #73280
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In addition to the bedliner spray, I also have the HD tube strips between the frame and skid plate. I didn't notice much, if any difference. My KLR 250 with the same treatment on the skid plate is way worse for reflecting noise, my DR 650 is quiet by comparison! Can't hear either with my earplugs in. Good point about the closed cell foam, I didn't think about the buffer pad-type material filling up with dirt and turning into a brick.

Gear Nazi rant on: If you are not wearing ear plugs when you ride, you need to, every time! As someone with hearing loss and that has to wear hearing aids, I can tell you from experience to do everything you can to protect your hearing. It is not the noise of the bike that will damage your hearing unless you are running straight pipes, it is the constant wind noise! You can have the quietest exhaust ever and still lose your hearing in pretty short order! Plus it helps tremendously with fatigue. Ear plugs every time! Gear Nazi rant off!


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Old 01-29-2013, 01:41 PM   #73281
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Gear Nazi rant on: If you are not wearing ear plugs when you ride, you need to, every time! As someone with hearing loss and that has to wear hearing aids, I can tell you from experience to do everything you can to protect your hearing. It is not the noise of the bike that will damage your hearing unless you are running straight pipes, it is the constant wind noise! You can have the quietest exhaust ever and still lose your hearing in pretty short order! Plus it helps tremendously with fatigue. Ear plugs every time! Gear Nazi rant off!

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As a sound recording pro ... I agree. I've done many many similar rants on ADV ... most riders just ignore ... if falls on "deaf ears" .

Everybody has an excuse, like, "... plugs are too uncomfortable", " ... they don't fit my ear canals". "... too expensive". " ... too much trouble to put in and out". Yada Yada. Got an issue? Get a tissue!

As you say, hearing loss is no joke. And yes ... it's the low freq buffeting from wind noise that does damage to the tiny Scilia around the ear drum. First you loose ability to hear high frequencies ... makes understanding speech in a noisy place hard. Goes downhill from there.

So easy to protect your hearing. At least wear them on long rides ... and learn how to insert them properly .... many riders do it wrong.

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Old 01-29-2013, 02:26 PM   #73282
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As a sound recording pro ... I agree. I've done many many similar rants on ADV ... most riders just ignore ... if falls on "deaf ears" .

Everybody has an excuse, like, "... plugs are too uncomfortable", " ... they don't fit my ear canals". "... too expensive". " ... too much trouble to put in and out". Yada Yada. Got an issue? Get a tissue!

As you say, hearing loss is no joke. And yes ... it's the low freq buffeting from wind noise that does damage to the tiny Scilia around the ear drum. First you loose ability to hear high frequencies ... makes understanding speech in a noisy place hard. Goes downhill from there.

So easy to protect your hearing. At least wear them on long rides ... and learn how to insert them properly .... many riders do it wrong.

RANT OFF!
As a fairly young guy who actually has noticed a little bit of hearing damage since I started riding a few years ago, I definitely second this. I ride with tight fitting ear buds in when I'm on long trips or commuting, though I'm sure they're not helping as much as real plugs would. Do you ride with any kind of music/sound system in your helmet? If I didn't have music and podcasts, I'm not sure I'd ever use my bike to commute.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:13 PM   #73283
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In addition to the bedliner spray, I also have the HD tube strips between the frame and skid plate. I didn't notice much, if any difference. My KLR 250 with the same treatment on the skid plate is way worse for reflecting noise, my DR 650 is quiet by comparison! Can't hear either with my earplugs in. Good point about the closed cell foam, I didn't think about the buffer pad-type material filling up with dirt and turning into a brick.


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Anyone ever try that Dynamat ( I think that is what it is called) the car stereo guys use in trunks? Might be a good alternative.

I noticed my DR650 when I first put the skid plate on. Now, it is just the music it makes. Now if I don't hear stuff I get worried.

The dyno room has ruined my hearing. If we are out anywhere that has "noisy" dining area I can't hear anyone say shit. I just nod and smile. I have gotten where I wear ear plugs on long trips or if I ride the highway. Makes the ride more enjoyable.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:09 PM   #73284
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As a fairly young guy who actually has noticed a little bit of hearing damage since I started riding a few years ago, I definitely second this. I ride with tight fitting ear buds in when I'm on long trips or commuting, though I'm sure they're not helping as much as real plugs would. Do you ride with any kind of music/sound system in your helmet? If I didn't have music and podcasts, I'm not sure I'd ever use my bike to commute.
This is a common question. Guys think riding with ear buds they are OK ... and they are partly right! You are protecting your hearing from low frequency wind damage.

BUT ... if you crank up the Tunes ... this will also take a toll on your hearing over time.

At speed we tend to listen LOUDer and LOUDer as the day goes on ... and we've all read the studies about the Japanese teenagers going deaf from listening to their Walkman/Nano too LONG and too LOUD. Tens of thousands affected in Japan.

With hearing damage its not just db levels ... it's duration of the abuse and proximity or source of the sound to your ear drum. Ear buds are in close proximity to your ear drum ... and more worrisome ... they SEAL up your ear canal providing NO venting ...which is critical to prevent damage. Loud Ear Buds inserted ALL THE WAY IN ... really can hammer your ear drums when cranked up to max.

In my industry very few use Ear Buds for this reason. We use open air headphones ... and take them off for loud transients or gun shots.
If you listen riding ... try to keep the volume down. Over time you'll get used to a lower level.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:11 PM   #73285
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new goodies from Seat Concepts

just talked to SC, sounds like they have some very ambitious projects coming down the road for the old DR...


...their own seat pan, will be selling a complete SC saddle for around 250.00

...an aftermarket rear fender with integral tail light, if I understood correctly

...a luggage set designed specifically for the DR




....and a combination of an oversize tank with matching Dakar-type fairing!!!!!

sounds pretty dang sweet to me!
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:16 PM   #73286
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As a fairly young guy who actually has noticed a little bit of hearing damage since I started riding a few years ago, I definitely second this. I ride with tight fitting ear buds in when I'm on long trips or commuting, though I'm sure they're not helping as much as real plugs would. Do you ride with any kind of music/sound system in your helmet? If I didn't have music and podcasts, I'm not sure I'd ever use my bike to commute.

Get you some helmet speakers like J&M or whatever. Use them and wear ear plugs. You'll be fine. You will notice you can turn the music on, set it at a level you can hear it and leave it. You will be amazed that at the end of the day you haven't had to turn it up as the day went on. This will protect your hearing and allow you to enjoy your tunes.
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:21 PM   #73287
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Get you some helmet speakers like J&M or whatever. Use them and wear ear plugs. You'll be fine. You will notice you can turn the music on, set it at a level you can hear it and leave it. You will be amazed that at the end of the day you haven't had to turn it up as the day went on. This will protect your hearing and allow you to enjoy your tunes.
My friends and I bought these a couple of years ago. They still work great and I can play music all the time while wearing ear plugs.

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Old 01-29-2013, 06:25 PM   #73288
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Cool ...

More options for the old DR ... is always good !!!

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just talked to SC, sounds like they have some very ambitious projects coming down the road for the old DR...


...their own seat pan, will be selling a complete SC saddle for around 250.00

...an aftermarket rear fender with integral tail light, if I understood correctly

...a luggage set designed specifically for the DR




....and a combination of an oversize tank with matching Dakar-type fairing!!!!!

sounds pretty dang sweet to me!
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:25 PM   #73289
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Handle bar vibration dampeners

The left side bar end vibration dampener thing on the end of the stock handlebar keeps trying to come out. The PO must have read the things about fasteners on stock bikes being loose and went beserko tightening ANYTHING with threads. I have yet to touch a fastener that has not taken an unbelievable amount of force to undo.
Back to the vibration dampener thing. I thought maybe I could loosen the Phillips head screw to relax it and then shove it all the way back in the bar and retighten it thereby expanding the rubber part. That screw won't budge. What do I need to get ? The whole thing, the rubber part and the screw or some aftermarket one that works better.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:34 PM   #73290
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The left side bar end vibration dampener thing on the end of the stock handlebar keeps trying to come out. The PO must have read the things about fasteners on stock bikes being loose and went beserko tightening ANYTHING with threads. I have yet to touch a fastener that has not taken an unbelievable amount of force to undo.
Back to the vibration dampener thing. I thought maybe I could loosen the Phillips head screw to relax it and then shove it all the way back in the bar and retighten it thereby expanding the rubber part. That screw won't budge. What do I need to get ? The whole thing, the rubber part and the screw or some aftermarket one that works better.
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Try using an impact driver, carefully , at first by hand but if no luck then a couple of taps with a hammer may work. It did for me when I had the same problem. Good luck.
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