Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki & Kawasaki - Listen Up, Please...

[joexr]

The wr450f weighs the same as a 450exc.

[CA Stu]

Guys, please keep it civil and about the bikes in this forum.

No one wants to read posts with f-bombs and insults here in the Thumpers forum.

If you can't manage to be civil and follow the forum rules, I can help.

Thanks
CA Stu
Thumpers Mod

PS You want to talk trash on each other? Take it to Jo Momma and go nuts.

[joexr]

GB , what area you in?

[Ginger Beard]

Originally Posted by joexr

GB , what area you in?

Currently down near Miami. No more good riding down here thanks to developers. I trek north any chance I get.

[Grreatdog]

Originally Posted by Ginger Beard

I'm from FL and I have to say that right there is a bit of dumb sentiment.

Different kind of technical down there. No rock bashing, no crazy several hundred foot drop offs or nightmare steep trails covered with softball size rocks. Same tight trees through. Did I mention no rocks?

But the trails down there are damn hard for sure. Axle deep energy sapping sand and mud full of roots and stumps, bushes that bite and red clay that is as slick as greased ice when wet.

Down south brush, briars and trees rather than rocks tear you up and zero traction wears out rather than terrifying drop offs and impossible climbs. And ditches. And mud. And ......

I have had the misfortune of experiencing both types. All I can say for Florida is it usually didn't hurt as bad when I crashed. Unless it was into a tree or yucca bush. Thought I would bleed to death from one of those yuccas.

[Off the grid]

Originally Posted by Ginger Beard

I'm from FL and I have to say that right there is a bit of dumb sentiment.

My apologies to the true riders in Florida. But you have to admit, when you think of Florida, you think....flat.

[joexr]

I lived in Miami also . Coral rock and green clay. When the clay is wet and churned up its mush , when its packed and wet its like ice , but when its dry its like powder .

[Ginger Beard]

Originally Posted by Grreatdog

Different kind of technical down there. No rock bashing, no crazy several hundred foot drop offs or nightmare steep trails covered with softball size rocks. Same tight trees through. Did I mention no rocks?

But the trails down there are damn hard for sure. Axle deep energy sapping sand and mud full of roots and stumps, bushes that bite and red clay that is as slick as greased ice when wet.

Down south brush, briars and trees rather than rocks tear you up and zero traction wears out rather than terrifying drop offs and impossible climbs. And ditches. And mud. And ......

I have had the misfortune of experiencing both types. All I can say for Florida is it usually didn't hurt as bad when I crashed. Unless it was into a tree or yucca bush. Thought I would bleed to death from one of those yuccas.

Just thought it was a bit naive to state that one rider is better or more experienced than another due to geographic region.


Really depends upon where you are at. FL has very diverse terrain. Everything from gnarly rock strewn loose over hard to deep sugar sand and hidden Cypress knees. We also have palmetto scrub , cacti, lots of vines and areas covered in limestone boulders that like to hide until you fall onto one. We also have some areas with pretty good (for FL) elevation change. They tend to be sketchy as many were some type of mine at some point. The saw-grass is fun too! And yes, those yucca plants are no joke.

*EDIT:

Originally Posted by Off the grid

My apologies to the true riders in Florida. But you have to admit, when you think of Florida, you think....flat.

True but that does not equate to a lack in technical riding. The FL on TV isn't the FL I grew up in. It's cool though man and glad you cleared it up.

[Grreatdog]

Saw grass, spartina grass and yucca plants. All good stuff. But I forgot to mention quick sand. Just like the cheesy B movies.




To be honest, I don't know which kicks my ass worse. The exhausting hell of coastal riding or the endless pounding up here in rocks and mountains. But I have had road rash from crashing on the beach and from crashing on rocks. So I have equal opportunity scars.

[Ginger Beard]

Originally Posted by Grreatdog

Saw grass, spartina grass and yucca plants. All good stuff. But I forgot to mention quick sand. Just like the cheesy B movies.


To be honest, I don't know which kicks my ass worse. The exhausting hell of coastal riding or the endless pounding up here in rocks and mountains. But I have had road rash from crashing on the beach and from crashing on rocks. So I have equal opportunity scars.

I can hear the cackling of the monkeys in the background!! Yeah, not sure which I like less...Hitting rocks that I can see while I am falling but still don't have time to tuck and roll away from or running into a tree stump that is just deep enough under the sugar sand that you don't notice it until it smacks you in the ribs.

[GB]

Originally Posted by CA Stu

Guys, please keep it civil and about the bikes in this forum.

No one wants to read posts with f-bombs and insults here in the Thumpers forum.

If you can't manage to be civil and follow the forum rules, I can help.

Thanks
CA Stu
Thumpers Mod

PS You want to talk trash on each other? Take it to Jo Momma and go nuts.

I've just about had it with this kinda crap in Thumpers.. it ruins the discussion and always seems to turn into dick waving about the merits of your bike while denigrating others' choice of bike..

Keep it civil and keep the F-bombs for the basement. And remember, high maintenance inmates get the boot. We're not here to babysit any one inmate.

[Grreatdog]

Originally Posted by Ginger Beard

I can hear the cackling of the monkeys in the background!! Yeah, not sure which I like less...Hitting rocks that I can see while I am falling but still don't have time to tuck and roll away from or running into a tree stump that is just deep enough under the sugar sand that you don't notice it until it smacks you in the ribs.

One of the guys in that pic got thrown down in a sugar sand swamp and broke a couple of ribs on a stump. Sand usually hurts a lot less in a crash. But what is in the sand .... not so much. Same guy broke his ankle in the same swamp a couple of years ago in one of those bottomless log skidder ruts at like zero miles per hour.

The flip side is a flat lander like me goes to the mountains the frist time and tries turning with the foot out fan the clutch "style" learned down south in sand. That was a painful lesson about rocks and toes. I have learned to switch back and forth between riding styles when I haul the bike back to the SC Sea Islands.

I can ride rocks now. No veteran of like ten Shenandoah 500's is going to be shy about rocks. But I am still a flat lander at heart. Still not sure which is harder on the bike though: rock rash or salt mud.

[Ginger Beard]

Originally Posted by Grreatdog

One of the guys in that pic got thrown down in a sugar sand swamp and broke a couple of ribs on a stump. Sand usually hurts a lot less in a crash. But what is in the sand .... not so much. Same guy broke his ankle in the same swamp a couple of years ago in one of those bottomless log skidder ruts at like zero miles per hour.

Going from forty to nothing flat in zero feet is no fun!!

The flip side is a flat lander like me goes to the mountains the frist time and tries turning with the foot out fan the clutch "style" learned down south in sand. That was a painful lesson about rocks and toes. I have learned to switch back and forth between riding styles when I haul the bike back to the SC Sea Islands.

I thought it was just me. I did that on one of my first rides in NC. Felt like that buck you get trying to kick start an old air cooled open class two smoke!

[Albie]

Originally Posted by joexr

The wr450f weighs the same as a 450exc.

I think the point is, a WR450 R wouldn't.

[OrangeYZ]

Originally Posted by Albie

I think the point is, a WR450 R wouldn't.

CRF250R - 227 lbs
CRF250X - 254 = 227+27
CRF250L - 320 = 254+66

YZ250F - 227
WR250F - 254 = 227+27
WR250R - 295 = 254+41

YZ450F - 245
WR450F - 273 = 245+28
WR450R - Not under 300. No way no how.