True Dualsports getting heavier and less powerful?

[OrangeYZ]

Originally Posted by tHEtREV

So I find it hard to swallow that a Suzuki could even be close to a Kawasaki in performance or reliability.

We're talking about KLRs and DRs here, let's pretend that word doesn't exist


On road: the DL650 (that's the V-Strom) has a 6 speed, FI V-twin that puts out around 60 or 70 hp, compared to the 5 speed KLR around 35-40 hp. Both of them have reputations of lasting 50,000-100,000 miles, though one of them needs to be rewired and have a doohickey replaced.

Off road: KLR650, 430lbs, 8.5" ground clearance. DR650, 366lbs, 10" ground clearance.

KLR is better on road than a V-Strom, and better off road than a DR? That's crazy talk.

[tHEtREV]

Because the KLR is a Kawasaki it is clearly going to be better than a Suzuki, because the Suzuki is just a Suzuki.

It's not just the PE that was crap, I had TS125 that never ran right as well.

So Kawasakis must be better than Suzukis.

[joexr]

Ok , I knew you were either crazy or sarcastic. Werent you ? And I wasnt implying anything about Kawasakis.

[CJBDRdude]

Originally Posted by tHEtREV

Because the KLR is a Kawasaki it is clearly going to be better than a Suzuki, because the Suzuki is just a Suzuki.

It's not just the PE that was crap, I had TS125 that never ran right as well.

So Kawasakis must be better than Suzukis.

Thats the most ridicous crap I've ever heard on here! I've owned kawis that have been nothing but trouble. We're talking about current motorcycles , not something made in 1974. Some guys like their DRs, some their KLRs and some their V-Stroms... Where did old PEs and Kawis fir into this LMAO!!!

[Cruz]

Gees Trev, how did you get people to take you seriously?

[tHEtREV]

Originally Posted by Cruz

Gees Trev, how did you get people to take you seriously?

It's a valid argument.

People on here use the same logic when they say KTMs are fragile, husqvarnas brake down all the time or husabergs spontaneously explode.

Kawasakis are awesome, Suzukis not so much...

[tokyoklahoma]

Originally Posted by joexr

Ok , I knew you were either crazy or sarcastic. Werent you ? And I wasnt implying anything about Kawasakis.

Crazy and sarcastic describes most inmates.

[Ginger Beard]

Originally Posted by tHEtREV

People on here use .......... logic

Is this new ?!!

[acesandeights]

Originally Posted by CJBDRdude

So okay..I've owned many and ridden many different types/brands as well. Street, dirt whatever.. I realize after owning a DR650..its a FACT that its not as much an offroad bike as a Honda XR650. Ride them one after another, you'll obviously see the difference, especially if you've had so much experience on bikes yourself!!!!!

Cool. I get it. Your experience leads to FACTS people should accept; whereas for everyone else, experience leads to opinions to share.

[Billy Beer]

Gents

Brand aside, the basic point here is correct. By my definition the perfect adventure dual sport still is just an illusion! Imagine if you will a descent single cylinder with reliable EFI comfortably equipped with 500 to 700cc, 60HP, and a price tag in the range of either a dr650 or a klr560. Weight under 300lbs wet.
I think if it existed plenty would come, but alas not enough to make it profitable I suspect.

sad but true.

Billybeer

[Adv Grifter]

Originally Posted by tHEtREV

Are you high?

How could a Suzuki be better than a Kawasaki?

Years ago my brother had a KX125 and his mate had a PE175 and the KX was better in every way except for 5 or 10Kph top speed.

The PE was always breaking down and everyone but the PE owner agreed that the KX was better in most areas.

So I find it hard to swallow that a Suzuki could even be close to a Kawasaki in performance or reliability.

You should really lay off the BLATANT TROLLING. Not well disguised at all.

[Adv Grifter]

Originally Posted by CJBDRdude

Thats the most ridicous crap I've ever heard on here! I've owned kawis that have been nothing but trouble. We're talking about current motorcycles , not something made in 1974. Some guys like their DRs, some their KLRs and some their V-Stroms... Where did old PEs and Kawis fir into this LMAO!!!

DON'T FEED THIS TROLL. Add to your Ignore list. TROLL!

[Off the grid]

I'd love to see 2-strokes come back with regularity. The simplicity and power they generate is amazing.

Alas, with emissions regulations the way they are and getting more restrictive all the time I can't imagine that happening.

[CJBDRdude]

Originally Posted by acesandeights

Cool. I get it. Your experience leads to FACTS people should accept; whereas for everyone else, experience leads to opinions to share.

Look - I'm not trying to argue with you. You Love your DR650 ..I get it! I'm saying try riding both your DR and if you can hop on a Honda XR650. You'll find these are intended to be used for the same purpose, but the Honda is just that much better in the offroad element. I'm with you, I like my Suzukis, but whats real is real. If you think I'm wrong try both, you'll agree.

[Albie]

Originally Posted by CJBDRdude

Look - I'm not trying to argue with you. You Love your DR650 ..I get it! I'm saying try riding both your DR and if you can hop on a Honda XR650. You'll find these are intended to be used for the same purpose, but the Honda is just that much better in the offroad element. I'm with you, I like my Suzukis, but whats real is real. If you think I'm wrong try both, you'll agree.

Actually I have ridden both and I've found BOTH to be equally lacking.

The big difference is the fact that the XR's run really hot and you have to change the oil more often. That's why I went with the DR. Neither bike is a great dual sport. Both are just adequate dual sports.