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Old 01-30-2013, 12:30 PM   #61
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Harsh!


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Therefore, my only concern is not the engine performance as much as the potential longevity. The stock BMW 450X engine does have a small oil capacity, and due to it's unconventional architecture (the clutch being mounted on the crank shaft for example), means there might be longer-term issues with a bike worked really hard... I recall people cooking their clutches on the 450X, albeit those guys tended to be racing the Dakar x
Harsh, but not entirely unfair ;-)

And I entirely agree with the other bit - that bike with a DRZ lump in, awesome. With the BMW motor in... might be a laugh as a rally bike, but for big distance use?

But then CCM can only use what they can buy - and even if every manufacturer was prepared to sell to them, what actually is there in terms of 400-450, trail/dualsport motors out there?
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:13 PM   #62
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The 5 speed of the 660 IS pretty wide, compared to fx the drz.... or even the 6 speed ktm690 as I recall.

6 speed wide-ratio like the ktm exc's is just so much better than the narrowspeed bikes, and even the pretty wide-ratio 5 speeds. (IMO)
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:29 PM   #63
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Motorfiets has done the Trans-Am trail on the G450X. He can tell you all about it.... Generalizing about 5 speed versus 6 speed is a moot point, unless we are taking gear ratios - including final-drive ratios.

Having ridden G450X (2.80 BMW G450X (5 speed) 14.10) back to back to WR250R (3.36 Yamaha WR250R/WR250X (6-speed) 16.99), I can tell you there is not much difference in terms of cruising RPM, vibrations, and feel of the motor at 60mph, 5th or 6th gear respectively. Hence why I got rid of the WR250R for the instant throttle gratification I received from G450X. I'm not interested in prolong exposure at 70mph, or 80mph for that matter.

The G450X motor is as strong as they get, and I would personally choose it over the DRZ400 motor.. There are plenty of high mileage motors reported in the G450X thread. Race/abuse/ any bike, and it will need serious maintenance, some sooner, some later.

Thanks to montesa_vr for keeping track of the gear ratios.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:52 PM   #64
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Motorfiets has done the Trans-Am trail on the G450X. He can tell you all about it.... Generalizing about 5 speed versus 6 speed is a moot point, unless we are taking gear ratios - including final-drive ratios.
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yup


it was great fun and the perfect bike going there... but on the return trip it was no fun...

fuel range was not great even with the safari tank.

If hope they have significantly increased the fuel capacity of the CCM and installed a 6 speed...

like many have said.... what's a DRZ? "the constant search for 6th gear" - it does make a world of an addition
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:22 AM   #65
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Love it

6th gear schimth gear; if this is RTW ready, I don't see many over-landers breaking 50mph anyway.

130kg dry, 40bhp, fully adjustable suspension. Nice.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:37 PM   #66
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Love it

6th gear schimth gear; if this is RTW ready, I don't see many over-landers breaking 50mph anyway.

130kg dry, 40bhp, fully adjustable suspension. Nice.
I do RTW riding, and I want this to have the golden wide ratio 6th gear. When I ride I get over 50 mph everyday. I don't think I've ever ridden through any country where I kept it under 50 mph.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:03 PM   #67
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ive read and read on this bike and donor engine .. i dont live far on this planet from the ccm factory
im not sure if this will be a full on long distance adventure bike ..but i hope im wrong
any way a phonecall and a hours ride and im looking at the prototype bike

ive visited the ccm factory and looked at the prototype and seen a race bike under construction with the exact same frame tecnolagy ..
my main riding is local or semi local weekend meets ..i usually do one big trip a year maby 4/5000 miles
i currantly use a xt660 tenere and a klr 650 for the longer trips but desperatly need somthing lighter and more managable as i like to do some trail riding sometimes quite tough and the bigger bikes are a real handful im not a great offroad talent but ive done a lot of off roading and the big adventure bikes are too heavy ..the main cause of my falls ..not all of course but mostly
i dont want to buy a pogo again i want to be able to ride to where im going ..trail the day after and ride back a typical weekend would be 500 miles maby 5/6 hours off road

i havnt got the full details as they are still in consideration

what i can tell you is
the buid quality of the frame and cycle parts is really fab
alloy frame and spine high quality ..glues at the headstock light and impressive
swingarms are high quality with the ccm logo cut in ..foot pegs and cycle parts are high quality
talon pegs .. wheels and centres are high qhality i dontb think there is a cush drive but the swingarm setup and torque converter may offset this for the road ?
its the bmw sprocket swingarm set up
gears im presuming 5 silly i know but i didnt ask
fiinal drive i dont know im presuming 15/ somthing 45?? 47 ?? 70mph highway cruising is on the cards
the constuction and cycle parts are very high quality
dash is neat sat nav option fiished nice in carbon /lookalike facia ?
bashplate looks very good and protective
ive got a centre stand ordered its not done yet but will be a light alloy construction
hand guards look acerbis alloy jobs ..may be wrong

the tank range is 18 litres 250 mile range auxilery tank under all new frame and subfra,me
rear rack .. neat tidy a little small i think ..25kgms carrying capacity
im pretty sure the racks and panniers are metal mule /optoional extra

exhaust is bespoke for ccm and a light alloy consruction it looks really neat

suspension is by the dutch guys from w/power who sold to ktm
the electric preload is a optional extra
forks are 47ml cartarge

oil capacity has been increased with a auxilery tank
service interval ...this is interesting 7500 km 5000 miles ?? but i may be tempted to drop a couple of pil changes in

renthal bars billet hangars look s you would expect
all cables are well lon enough for risers should you need them

ergos the peg seat arrangmet is very natural for my 6ft frame the fairing is neat with the small screen looking high enough to be effective
the tank spits two pods one for fuel one false to gain easy access to the airbox the battery and elecrics an be accesses from the cover on the top of the spine and a re easy to get too
the wiring is neat and prcise a lot of which is housed in the frame ..not rats nest hear neat tidy organised pecise
waranty 1year

dry weight 125kgms

power output electrical .. i wouldnt plan for more than some oxford grips
tyres optional i chose dunlop 606s are for starters
front mudguard ..will be higher on the stock bike a high beak is optional if you want /or need it

price either 7995 or 7795 uk pounds

was i impressed by it ....its so much better than the pictures you and i have seen
it could be quite special i think

maby overkill for my needs ..ive got a klr and tenere that weigh 200 kgms wet and chuck out 47 and 42 hp
the ccm is going to be i dunno 140 kgms wet and 42 hp should be fun to ride

there remains the option of a 52bhp plug and ride but i imagine it would increase service strain and probably shhot me through awall ..but its a consideration some may want to expore
do i have any doubts well hell yes but its such a nice bike so well thhought out and the engineering is
great to look at



what did i do .....well i had to give it a go well thought out and impressive

i know what people are going to say about the service costs and such but im gonna find out but it sure looks like a great duel sport in the purest sense

one thig it will not be working anywhere near its remit with my ageing fat ass on it

please understand this info is in good faith but not official in anyway and is subject to any changes that ccm decide on later
and the bike in the pictures is a prototype and not the finished aricle

wish me luck and ccm also











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Old 02-11-2013, 06:24 PM   #68
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:28 PM   #69
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I need one of these in my life... I just can't stop looking at it.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:35 PM   #70
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Minky, you have a unique voice.

Thanks for sharing these tidbits and morsels with us.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:58 PM   #71
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Okay now I really want one... Might have to move back to England to get it but... I will have it!
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:22 AM   #72
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Cool. I like! 140ish kg and 50+bhp should be ok.

Hope there will be a taller seat avalible. Did I here anyone say "Rally"?
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:07 AM   #73
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:15 AM   #74
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:33 AM   #75
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Out of all the 450 engines in the world,they picked the only one that is a complete oddball and has never gained acceptance for much of anything............But the bike itself is really slick looking,I like the idea of an Adventure bike that isnt a mammoth sized poser bike. Nothing good can come of using that BMW designed engine though.
The CS sprocket having the same center as the swingarm pivot............seems neat but even BMW dropped it on the new Husky/BMW.
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