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Old 01-30-2013, 03:12 AM   #76
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im not sure yet
i would like to do a LL first
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:48 AM   #77
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What's the purpose of the rocker? The end with the heim joint for adjusting ride height? I'm just not seein it yet unless its for that purpose, the way it's hooked up it can't be for a cantilever suspension because of the shock placement.

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Old 01-30-2013, 12:17 PM   #78
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yes to adjust ride hight
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:50 PM   #79
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redid the suspension rocker
must have proper angles works better now
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:10 PM   #80
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It looks very functional & strong....How is the fender mounting coming? have you worked on the body much?
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:46 PM   #81
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i have to figure out how much travel is in the shock
so i can get the right hight
how much travel is in that air shock i gave you i have no way to compress mine
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:18 PM   #82
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sway bar

looking for info on sway bars
any pics and info would be appreciated
and yes i looked up everything i could find on here
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Old 02-01-2013, 04:53 PM   #83
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:27 PM   #84
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thanks for the pm
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:50 PM   #85
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It seems to be right around 4" I will try to get a better measurement.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:53 PM   #86
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thats cool im going to leave 5 inches of clearance
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:59 PM   #87
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You should be good with 5 or so.
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:49 PM   #88
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: swaybar questions

I need to put a swaybar on my Triumph Tiger/Sputnik rig. I've riden it two summers now without one but with the long travel suspension I know it would make a huge difference. When I turn right the bike leans left. First question, if I use 5/8 4130 and bend it cold how important is heat treating? Without treating would it just twist out of shape after a few bumps? Second, I can run the bar over the sidecar frame under the body. The normal way puts the brackets under the frame. Will they work on top or are they too thin? Is there a lot of upward pressure? I can make something heavier or fab. a loop to use the regular brackets the way they normally go. If I'm talking like a madman don't be shy, let me know where I'm going wrong. Thanks guys. Carl
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Hi Carl,
Did you check out this topic on this forum?
http://hpsidecars.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12&highlight=swaybar
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:20 am Post subject:

Bill, Yes I saw your post. It was very helpful and is where I got the idea about bending cold. My main question is about heat treating. Why is it needed? Isn't the chrome moly springy enough without it? I never messed that material before. Thanks, Carl
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Heat treating made a huge difference. When I got mine back from heat treating, it had distorted slightly.
I tried to straighten it out. Need less to say it is still distorted and works great.
If you were going to try to use one with out heat treating, I would use a larger diameter.
I don’t think that 5/8 diameter would be springy enough.
Not sure how large you would need to go to achieve the same results.
Trial and error method.
If it was my dollar, I would use the 5/8 and have it heat treated.

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject:

Mainly just want to agree with what Bill said. I cold bent my bar and had it heat treated. It did distort a little when treated and afterwards I could not bend it. If its not treated I think it would just bend.

My original plan was to run the bar between the sidecar body and frame, but ended up going underneath, just wasn't quite enough room. Functionally I don't see where it would matter top or bottom.

It took a little calling around to find a shop with a big enough oven to do the swaybar.

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject:

My swaybar is using 3/4" 4130, with 1/4"x1 1 1/4"x15" arms welded in place and heat treated as per Bill Ballou's suggested instructions on the AOL sidebike99 website. Once heat treated, it appears to hold tensile strength quite well - I don't think my swaybar would have survived the suspension hit it took otherwise in my early summer accident, which bent up the sidecar suspension itself quite badly.

I've underslung the swaybar itself under the sidecar frame using bearing block ends, rather than the more common eurethane bushing method.. i subscribed firmly to the 'when in doubt build it stout' school of design when it went together.





I've got more photo's up of the swaybar buildup on
http://home.cogeco.ca/~wstrong/index7.html if you are interested.

I hope to be able to recycle most if not all of my swaybar setup for the new suspension design -- it's going to be tight and tough to adapt to a totally different system.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject:

Thanks guys . I'll go with the heat treatment. I was totally dumb on the subject so I thought I'd ask someone who's been there done that.Carl
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I ordered my 5/8 4130,rod ends,and split collars from McMaster Carr yesterday 12-29-05 at about 10:50 am and when I got home at 6:00 pm today 12-30-05 the order was on my doorstep! Now I need my bushings and I can get busy building. Carl
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Excellent.

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Old 02-01-2013, 08:59 PM   #89
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:42 AM   #90
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Not only is this thread interesting, it's maybe one of the most informative for some time. Better than a book and thanks to all concerned.
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