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Old 02-01-2013, 02:45 PM   #3241
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Its interesting info ... there are indeed a couple of roofed building there at that spot in the middle of nowhere. No roads. trails or anything. Amazing.

But it means the description of isolation is inaccurate. The story talks of 150 miles / 250 km from the nearest town. Its actually about a fifth of that ... just 52 km (32 miles) from Balykcha. a town in the Altai near the southern end of Lake Teletskoye ... and just 57 km (35 miles) from where we were in the Altai when we took this picture:


Is it possible the two towns you mention have been established since the folks were discovered in summer of 1978?
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:47 PM   #3242
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When in Google maps, turn on 'pictures'. You'll see geotagged pictures of those 'new' huts, believed to be built in Lykovs' place. More pictures made by the same photographer here, including those of Agafia Lykova: https://ssl.panoramio.com/user/19384...BC%D0%BA%D0%B0 Pics were made in 2009.
Amazing pics ... amazing that the story is still current.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:51 PM   #3243
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Is it possible the two towns you mention have been established since the folks were discovered in summer of 1978?
No... I only mentioned one town ... its an old Altai town. In any case there are probably 50 towns within a 150 mile radius. A big town of Ulagan (we also passed through - with hotels and supermarkets) is 98 km away (61 miles) away. The capital city of the Altai republic is 175 km away (109 miles).

But you know how reporters write stories ...

The story is amazing enough, it doesnt need exaggeration to sell it.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:10 PM   #3244
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Amazing story indeed.

Proves that isolation is relative to where you are. Might only be 50 miles or so, but as an old timer who probably now has a kettle, it would be very difficult for her to get to the shops for some more tea bags.

More BAM please.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:29 PM   #3245
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http://video.mail.ru/mail/said5050/5536/6799.html
Sorry, but movie in bad quality and in russian! But some actual footage is very interesting.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:52 PM   #3246
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Sorry, but movie in bad quality and in russian! But some actual footage is very interesting.
This video was one of several links at the bottom of "redroom's" post # 3180.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...?device=iphone

The video is very informative even if you don't speak Russian.
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Old 02-01-2013, 04:02 PM   #3247
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No... I only mentioned one town ... its an old Altai town. .........

The story is amazing enough, it doesn't need exaggeration to sell it.

Sorry, the period after Balykcha, threw me off.

It is an amazing story, I have great admiration for people who suffer for their beliefs. It is so much easier to fold up and go along, than to stand up for what you believe it.

Enjoying this RR every day.

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Old 02-01-2013, 04:38 PM   #3248
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FYI: The Rule for proper thread engagement into aluminum (top fork clamp) is 1.5 x Diameter. If your using M12 bolts (12 mm dia) you need a minimum of at least 18 mm of thread engagement to ensure the bolt will fail before the threads strip out of the aluminum. If you don't currently have enough thread engagement you should get some longer bolts.

In Terry's case it was the bolt that broke suggesting he had the correct amount of engagement (or used a thru bolt with a steel nut). Also, in the case of blind hole you also need to be careful to have enough extra hole depth so that the bolt does not bottom out before achieving the proper clamp load on the joint (generally indicated by achieving the proper amount of bolt torque during assembly). Again this did not appear to be an issue in Terry's case as it appeared he was able to remove the broken bit without a great deal of trouble.

At somebody already mentioned Stainless Steel bolts are not usually considered high strength. Bolts marked as 10.9 DIN are higher strength (approx equivalent to a Grade 5 in the USA), and probably a good option for clamping Aluminum parts together.

A couple of other things that can contribute to bolt failure are not having clean parallel surfaces at the clamp joint, and not having enough clamp load (a.k.a. bolt torque). Bolts are designed to act like springs and if the clamp load is to low the bolt goes through a high number of repeated stretching cycles during use. The result is early material fatigue of the bolt (like bending a paper clip back and forth until it breaks), and possible fretting and wear to the mating surfaces being clamped.


Great ride report Guy's.
+1 People tend to believe that a high tensile bolt is better but the application is to be considered first. If the bolt is to have any side force on it you are better with a grade 5 which will bend and not snap as high tensile will.
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Old 02-01-2013, 04:44 PM   #3249
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The story is amazing enough, it doesnt need exaggeration to sell it.
But, wouldn't have been even more amazing if you and your team were the ones to discover the family yourself
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:09 PM   #3250
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By 2010 the entire Trans Siberian highway was paved with wide, silky smooth asphalt. Again Putin returned armed with media posse and drove the highway in a Lada Kalina. (small 2wd car).
I believe that the info quoted above may not be completely accurate. Some gravel/sand sections do still exist on the Transsib proper. At least during the summer of 2012, the following was seen somewhere around Alzamay:



For the sake of the argument, I will admit that this was the view to the actual construction area of the main M53 highway, but the detour around this was a very bumpy and dusty gravel road as well, far from wide, silky smooth asphalt.

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Old 02-01-2013, 06:57 PM   #3251
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When in Google maps, turn on 'pictures'. You'll see geotagged pictures of those 'new' huts, believed to be built in Lykovs' place. More pictures made by the same photographer here, including those of Agafia Lykova: https://ssl.panoramio.com/user/19384...BC%D0%BA%D0%B0 Pics were made in 2009.
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Its interesting info ... there are indeed a couple of roofed building there at that spot in the middle of nowhere. No roads. trails or anything. Amazing....
This is a closeup of the structures visible on Google sat view:



It seems to be posted by makers of documentary mentioned by AtlasExp. This means that Agafia was still around in 2010.

This whole story has multiple facets: how about the weirdness of us looking at satellite imagery related to a story about people living away from all civilization?


Next up: Walter and his party stumble upon remnants of the Tunguska Meteoroid; they make contact with the aliens. News at 11.

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Old 02-01-2013, 08:22 PM   #3252
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Agafia is OK now. She was sick in March 2012 but they send a doctor and help. Just a couple of weeks ago Agafia was given a medal for something from goverment! I will post link to all videos about Agafia. Sorry, but all of them in Russian but its still good to see how She surviving there. Sorry for highjacking the thread!!!
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:20 AM   #3253
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I believe that the info quoted above may not be completely accurate. Some gravel/sand sections do still exist on the Transsib proper. At least during the summer of 2012, the following was seen somewhere around Alzamay:

For the sake of the argument, I will admit that this was the view to the actual construction area of the main M53 highway, but the detour around this was a very bumpy and dusty gravel road as well, far from wide, silky smooth asphalt.

Cheers,

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OK yes, sure - there are a few 2-3 km stretches and maybe one 20 km stretch where they are replacing the old highway with new stretches through the forest between Alzamai and Tulun, and while they do that they are temporary gravel detours that all Trans Siberian traffic takes.

That is the M53, about 2000 km away from the Zilov Gap. If we are going to list all stretches of the Trans sib where you have to take gravel detours, I recall a few roadworks sections around Ishim as well, about 3000 km further west. There are also a few sections of gravel detours 4000 km further east down the highway from your pic between Khabarovsk and Vladivostok where they are also rebuilding the road.

In any case all detours are small, temporary, being worked on, and are fine for the hundreds / thousands of cheap Korean / Japanese / Russian 2wd sedans and hatches and hundreds / thousands more normal road going 40 ton freight trucks that use them every day.

On this basis we can probably safely say that the 10,000 km long trans sib will never be all asphalt, as there will always be some sections being rebuilt; there will always be some bridges that need replacing etc, where there will be gravel detours.


Getting back to the original point, the Zilov Gap prior to 2004 was 800 km of no road that could only be traversed in 6wd trucks, or 110 kg off road motorcycles. In 2004, once the gravel road was completed, the entire Trans Siberian highway was ridden by a trio of Honda GoldWings.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:44 AM   #3254
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Amazing story indeed.

Proves that isolation is relative to where you are. Might only be 50 miles or so, but as an old timer who probably now has a kettle, it would be very difficult for her to get to the shops for some more tea bags.

More BAM please.
sure ... impossible for her ... there would not be even a trail or vehicle track within 20 miles (30km ) of her place.

Its the impossibility of access (unless in a helicopter) that creates the remoteness.
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:03 AM   #3255
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Best thread ever!

I came across this RR from a link on a local adv riders forum.
I've read all 210 pages in the last 3 days.
Holy Cow!
This is probably one of the best things I've ever read.
I'm a very amateur adv rider and Walther's exploits are the stuff of dreams.

I kid you not when I say this is probably the best thread on the internet.
Bikes, adventure, far flung places, amazing cast of characters, gripping story. Pretty girls (but no where near enough). Its got it all.

When this ride report is done they may as well switch off the internet. Cause it doesn't get better than this.

For someone that lives at the southern tip of Africa the places in this RR are like from another world.

Thank you Walther and crew. Thank you!
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