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Old 02-03-2013, 10:30 PM   #3361
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(on a Djebel).
Motorcycle Specifications has a few more pictures of the Djebel

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mod...jebel%2096.htm

MCS lists a few Djebels (200cc & 250cc)

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/bik...i%20%20%20.htm

I'm guessing the round headlight is the same size as the headlights used by most of the cars there.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:10 PM   #3362
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Why not strip before going in the water, then you would at least have dry clothes to put on, while waiting for the truck...?
Your clothes dry pretty quickly. Getting them soaked thru is a good way to keep em reasonably clean . And it keeps you cool on a hot day.

Your feet are constantly wet from all the river crossings anyway ... and thats the only part that isnt dry in an hour. Its not something that worries me or bothers me. I take my jacket off cause my ipod and mobile phones are in there ... getting wet I dont care about. Its very much part of the deal ... you do the BAM, you are going to get wet, and you are going to have wet feet most of the time.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:03 AM   #3363
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I still feel a bit of a sense of unfinished business there.
Would you consider it with floats similar to the one MetalJockey or the Moto Syberia guys have used in the past?
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:35 AM   #3364
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Pretty much yes ... a Russian woman called Sasha Teplyakova rode the Western half in 2005 on her way to Magadan



and she (above) is one of only two people to have ridden the eastern half ... in 2010, with the help of a local rider called Max from Tynda (on a Djebel).

I have never met her, but she is quite a legend ... spends all her life doing extreme moto journeys ... often solo.

Her 2005 ride http://shoorik-spb.narod.ru/Magadan_05_1.htm (BAM and Road of Bones solo on a 2 stroke Izh Planeta 5)
2010 Western BAM http://shoorik-spb.narod.ru/BAM_10_p1.htm (in a team of 4 people all riding Yamaha 250s)
2010 Eastern BAM http://shoorik-spb.narod.ru/BAM_10_1.htm (With Max from Tynda: she was on a Yamaha 250, Max on a Djebel)



It would be insanely tough.
Guys. Get a look at these reports. This is extreme ADVing without a safety net.
They're in Russian but Google Translate will give a you a reasonable though literal feel for the trip. If you write in a chatty way with slang thrown in it won't come through the tool as well as if you write very carefully, but when she wrote it she doubtless wouldn't be thinking about an audience as international as this one.
This is one tough and resourceful little dame...and we, I'm afraid are pussies!

This exemplifies what's great about this forum...it smashes down the barriers of international misunderstanding and gives us a feeling of kinship and understanding with this little woman we'll never meet-but we know exactly what makes her tick.
ADVRider should be required reading in schools...but then the outback would be full of the lippy little feckers and we wouldn't have it to ourselves...Yer just can't win!
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:39 AM   #3365
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Would you consider it with floats similar to the one MetalJockey or the Moto Syberia guys have used in the past?
I have spoken with Mac about it in the past. I would need to talk to him again and get a much better feel for his opinion on them before considering it with any seriousness. Last time I spoke to him about it, the impression I got from him was that it made for great pictures but was a pain in the a$$, massively time consuming, and not particularly practical.

I would add that at the same time as Mac was developing his floaties (2009), Sasha Teplyakova was also developing floats ...











Yet I also note that despite also being a pioneer of this concept back in 2009, she did not use floats in 2010 when she did the eastern BAM, despite a season of development and testing.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:58 AM   #3366
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There are two major issues with floats like this.
  • First of course is the bulk and the weight.
  • Second is the current in the rivers. Some are pretty tranquil, but some are fierce. You would end up miles downstream
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:59 AM   #3367
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If you have metal boxes on a bike, like Tony did in 2009, or Steve this year, its difficult riding in the safer bit down low ... cause the bike is wider and if it does hit something then nothing is going to give.
if you build it right, it ain't wider
mine fits trough a door with the boxes on...
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I would add that at the same time as Mac was developing his floaties (2009), Sasha Teplyakova was also developing floats ...
Yet I also note that despite also being a pioneer of this concept back in 2009, she did not use floats in 2010 when she did the eastern BAM, despite a season of development and testing.
mmm interesting and they seem better than both the MJ and the MS setups.
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:55 AM   #3369
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if you build it right, it ain't wider
mine fits trough a door with the boxes on...
Width is not the whole story. Ground clearance can come into it.







What the photo does not show too well is the height of the top of the sleepers on bridges above the concrete side path. This was usually level with my footpegs - a foot (30cm) or so?.


In 2009 I regularly removed my metal boxes and took them across such bridges on foot (or my man, Bongo, did!) then I went back to ride the bike.

Even without the metal side panniers, at the regular triangular support panels I often had to lean the bike to wriggle the footpegs through the reduced gap.


Except possibly saving the walk first, having the slimmest of boxes would not have helped. A higher ground clearance/footpeg height than the Dakar had would have though.
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:55 AM   #3370
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Your clothes dry pretty quickly. Getting them soaked thru is a good way to keep em reasonably clean . And it keeps you cool on a hot day.

Your feet are constantly wet from all the river crossings anyway ... and thats the only part that isnt dry in an hour. Its not something that worries me or bothers me. I take my jacket off cause my ipod and mobile phones are in there ... getting wet I dont care about. Its very much part of the deal ... you do the BAM, you are going to get wet, and you are going to have wet feet most of the time.

Walter, EntronX, Have you ever considered using canyoneering shoes plus neoprene socks? like these:

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Old 02-04-2013, 03:09 AM   #3371
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Walter, EntronX, Have you ever considered using canyoneering shoes plus neoprene socks? like these:
No. Because I want the support of motocross boots. Additionally you cant stand up on footpegs all day without rigid soles - ideally with a metal rod running thru the sole.

I have never worn neoprene socks for a month on end but I cant imagine its good for your feet.

Again , I dont have a problem with wet feet inside mx boots. Its part of the bam experience.
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:50 AM   #3372
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This might be a year that the Eastern Bam is possible. After reading your reports it seems that it is entirely dependant on the weather, Here in the Pnwet there is talk that spring is going to come early and we are going to have a dry spring and summer. Of course we hope for that every year. All those swamps you were riding through would have to be a lot more dryed out. It seems you have to monitor conditions like the surfers do and be ready to go when the conditions are right. It would be quite a feat to ride the whole road. A light bike would certainly have to be used. I must say this is the best RR I have read. A lot of your photos reminds me of the PNW. With the rain, scenery and roads.
Perhaps a word on weather, this concerns also the clothing-discussion.
The weather in the region between Baikal and Tynda can be really as bad as you can possibly imagine. In 2011 I turned back, also because of week-long bad weather. This year before arriving at the BAM I checked always my favourite spot (Novaja Chara) about the weather. The three weeks before arrival the prognostics never had some sun on the radar. I was so lucky, the rain stopped just, when I arrived at Kuanda and until Tynda no drop would fall anymore. The people at the BAM told me, that it had been rainy for quite some time. Perhaps they exagerated a little bit (I heard of periods of 4 weeks, 6 weeks and 2 months of rain), but perhaps Walter will still show some marks, that prove that this summer has seen floods, that come only every 20 years. In Chara I was told, that the connection between old and new town had been cut.
In such a weather you won't get warm and dry anymore and every river crossing (if possible) is something you want to avoid. And be also aware of the puddles, they can literally eat a motorrider, you don't know how deep they are.
You won't get a guarantee to get through at ideal conditions for the whole stretch by looking at the forecast (when it is good, you first have to get to the BAM). Of course locals have some suggestions when to drive, but every summer can be different.
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Walter, EntronX, Have you ever considered using canyoneering shoes plus neoprene socks? like these:

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Nope. You need solid boots for protection. If I didn't have my cross boots when I toppled over and did the submariner in the river, there is a great risk I would have injured my foot

Again, wet feet is no problem. In the morning they look OK again. You can, as Walter and Terry does, use SealSkinz waterproof socks. Your boots are wet, but feet stay dry. Until the next deep river of course
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:33 AM   #3374
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After ~3 weeks I finally got to an end with reading this RR. I'm interested in details about Altai and Tuva track (this summer I want to go there). I will PM you Walter to ask a few questions.

Great RR , waiting to see what's next.

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Old 02-04-2013, 06:12 AM   #3375
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Nope. You need solid boots for protection. If I didn't have my cross boots when I toppled over and did the submariner in the river, there is a great risk I would have injured my foot

Again, wet feet is no problem. In the morning they look OK again. You can, as Walter and Terry does, use SealSkinz waterproof socks. Your boots are wet, but feet stay dry. Until the next deep river of course
And as we keep saying, everything has to be carried-so you have 2 sets of footwear...your moto-boots, and one other that has to fulfill every other use....usually-but not always-sandals. If one took everything...or even half the things one might conceivably need...hammer, saw, axe, spares-(a vice!) clothing variants, more detailed maps, you'd need a support vehicle following (and I'm not saying that's wrong-it's just not what this group want)or have a bike so heavy...

Said it all before.
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