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Old 02-03-2013, 04:07 PM   #2866
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:53 PM   #2867
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Ever ride one? 25 hp. Maybe, on a good day.....

Either the Canadians had an incompetent procurement team or Triumph had the best sales department in the world. They managed to sell 1944 technology in 1964, and also got rid of all the obsolete parts they had left over from WWII.
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:01 PM   #2868
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Ever ride one? 25 hp. Maybe, on a good day.....

Either the Canadians had an incompetent procurement team or Triumph had the best sales department in the world. They managed to sell 1944 technology in 1964, and also got rid of all the obsolete parts they had left over from WWII.
Id hate to hear your opinion on Harley Davidson "technology"...
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:30 PM   #2869
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Nope, never rode one. It's in the Motorcyclepedia Museum and looks great.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:11 AM   #2870
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I like DAKEZ's big Rokon. I bet donuts are easy.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:59 AM   #2871
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:02 AM   #2872
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:57 AM   #2873
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Put an 800 in there and keep the weight down (way down) and I'm in. Or do it for the Versys, either way. I'm easy.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:24 AM   #2874
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Put an 800 in there and keep the weight down (way down) and I'm in. Or do it for the Versys, either way. I'm easy.
Kawasaki doesn't have a motor that meets those specs. Neither do any of the other big 4, really, unless you want a massively retuned GSX750
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:37 AM   #2875
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Kawasaki doesn't have a motor that meets those specs. Neither do any of the other big 4, really, unless you want a massively retuned GSX750
You mean like this bike?

FZ8.



106 horsepower. 60 ft-lbs torque. 460 pounds wet. Looks like FUN!
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:55 AM   #2876
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You mean like this bike?

FZ8.



106 horsepower. 60 ft-lbs torque. 460 pounds wet. Looks like FUN!
Well, for one, the 2011 er-6n was $6699. 2011 fz8 was $8490

Yeah, I suppose that's one example at nearly 25% more money. They aren't selling well at all, either. I've seen several early models collecting dust in showrooms. A shame, I'd have at least tested one if they came with ABS here,

I don't see how that makes the er-6n a bad bike, either.

Further, the er-6n's power curve is much better for around town duty:


vs fz8:



Thats mostly what I meant - the point of the er-6n (and bikes like it) is usable midrange power, not peaky race power. The gsx-r750 actually has a flatter torque curve than the fz8, for even -more- money.

Their price differential is likely much worse in other countries, too.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:08 PM   #2877
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I'd have a hard time thinking the ER-6N needs more power, that motor is incredibly tractable and has a lot of punch at street speeds.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:52 PM   #2878
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Yeah, I suppose that's one example at nearly 25% more money. They aren't selling well at all, either. I've seen several early models collecting dust in showrooms. A shame, I'd have at least tested one if they came with ABS here,

You stated that no Japanese factory had an 800cc sport naked. I just reminded you of the bike you've never seen in the wild. I've only ever seen one not in a showroom, and would rather have the Ninja than the FZ8. For exactly the reasons you posted.


But within that price range and engine size I would like one of these more than the Kaw.



I like the looks and feel better than the Ninja 650, as we don't have the latest EN6R in the states. If that EN6R did come here I would have some serious figuring to do...
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:21 PM   #2879
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You stated that no Japanese factory had an 800cc sport naked. I just reminded you of the bike you've never seen in the wild. I've only ever seen one not in a showroom, and would rather have the Ninja than the FZ8. For exactly the reasons you posted.


But within that price range and engine size I would like one of these more than the Kaw.


I like the looks and feel better than the Ninja 650, as we don't have the latest EN6R in the states. If that EN6R did come here I would have some serious figuring to do...
I still don't get why they go to all the trouble to make and import non-abs bikes in the middleweight category.
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:09 PM   #2880
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But within that price range and engine size I would like one of these more than the Kaw.



I like the looks and feel better than the Ninja 650, as we don't have the latest EN6R in the states. If that EN6R did come here I would have some serious figuring to do...
I've never ridden the Kaw twin, but I have ridden a friends Gen. 1 SV650. Wow, what a fun little bike! And with an aftermarket exhaust, it had an intoxicating sound! . I came real close to picking one up on more than one occasion too. The Kawasaki parallel twins, while a good engine with good power characteristic (from what I understand at least) just don't tickle my aural thrill machinery at all. I love my Ducati's sound. I love my H-D's sound. I love my Buell's sound. My BMW doesn't do it for me at all in that area, and that's what the farty sound of the Kawasaki twins make me think of. Different, sure, but still, there's just nothing like the noise of a nice v-twin, IMO And that's not even mentioning the feel of the engine's power pulses.

Maybe that's a weird reason to buy a particular bike to some people, but a bike is more than just a machine to me, and they have to excite me with sensation for me to be truly satisfied riding them. In fact, that's the reason I hate inline 4s. I've owned a few and ridden quite a few more, but once I sampled my first Ducati, it just changed my perception of what I wanted in a motorcycle. Sure, the 4s are fast and efficient, but every time I ride one now I get off just feeling BLA...
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