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Old 02-06-2013, 09:31 PM   #15931
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I was about to say that is from the site itself BUT it still may be wrong...

It may apply to the 2012 2013 model and not the 2013 2013 model if you get what I am saying
Yeah, I guess I know what you mean. Best is to read the original for yourself:

http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall...22751r-eng.php

And not some online editor's guess work around it. This for example is a 2013 air/oil cooled model:

http://www.aspowersports.com/2013-BM...7&unitBrand=48

So, it's all guess work. And my guess is, it's the old model.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:39 PM   #15932
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Cool2 Reading comprehension again...

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Yeah, I guess I know what you mean. Best is to read the original for yourself:

http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall...22751r-eng.php

And not some online editor's guess work around it. This for example is a 2013 air/oil cooled model:

http://www.aspowersports.com/2013-BM...7&unitBrand=48

So, it's all guess work. And my guess is, it's the old model.


Might want to, once again, read *carefully* the info at that second link you provided... You know, this one:

http://www.aspowersports.com/2013-BM...7&unitBrand=48


I really like the part on that page where it says the following:

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"Powerful, refined, and high revving. The R 1200 GS is powered by a new opposed twin engine design delivering 125 hp. Based on a new concept of combined air and liquid cooling and vertical flows through the cylinders, the engine operates efficiently, reliably, and with high torques at all times. Further improvements like the new wet clutch with antihopping feature, the electromotive throttle actuator E-Gas, and the optional “riding modes” make the opposed twin engine the perfect drive solution at the heart of the new R 1200 GS."
The picture may be of an older model, but the text description is pure new 2013 "Vasser Boxer"...

And so is the price.

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Old 02-06-2013, 09:41 PM   #15933
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One way to look at it... But I like my refrigerator, and it's been reliable as, well... A Yamaha Super Tenere, and for over 15 years. It's great to know you can depend on something.

Of course, my 2008 Ducati D16RR Desmosedici has never given me any trouble, either... Nor did my ol' Hypermotard.

Now my BMW's on the other hand... Geez!

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Old 02-06-2013, 09:46 PM   #15934
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Might want to, once again, read *carefully* the info at that second link you provided... You know, this one:
Whoops. Missed that part - they messed up the whole technical details and description part which is for the new model, but the actual offered model is a 2013 Triple Black - there is no Triple Black of the new model.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:26 AM   #15935
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Git,

......................................

So, my question is...

What exactly can they do with the PC-V? (ignition timing, etc.)


Thanks.
TBH I do not actually know, but here's what I think:

Although I am not currently in a position to look at the bike, as I read the instructions, there are only 5 connections.
1 to the throttle position sensor. A tap in to the white wire.
2 to the injectors and
2 to the O2 sensors.

From this I can only assume that the timing is not altered in any way. IMHO there would need to be an ECU male/female plug to do this (as there is on the Harley Davidson version of the PCV).
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:09 AM   #15936
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Well, that probably takes the cake in overall dollars. I'd be on a Zuma 125 if I was over there at those prices. I think we are probably suffering the same percentage decline here though. If you paid full price for one last year you were probably somewhere north of $14k, dealer trade-in would now be $9k and on the used market you might be happy to get somewhere in between......I guess 20% depreciation isn't all that unusual in the car world, but still you would think that such a long lasting, durable bike like the S10 would hold its value a little better. They don't even break-in for 5,000 miles...or so I'm told.
they about 25k here
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:44 AM   #15937
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Probably my favorite commercial, when I was a kid...






I was never a sports fan, but used to watch "Wide World of Sports", just to see if I would catch it.


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I guy I work with rides one of those.....the thing is still fast and not horrible in the corners....
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:51 AM   #15938
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TBH I do not actually know, but here's what I think:...

I'll be damned. I'm surprised to hear that.

The drumming, that I feel, definitely feels like a timing issue. And, it appears that, while they didn't get rid of it, they did sort it, a little.


I stared at those graphs, for a long time, yesterday. And, I can tell you that the second speaks volumes (to me).

It appears that the days of perfectionists, like Soichiro Honda and Hirotake Arai, are long gone. I can't imagine any Japanese manufacturer, from those days, allowing a motorcycle to leave the production facility with a torque curve like that: shameful. The engineers of yore woulda' thrown themselves on a sword, before allowing something like that.

It appears that, in a global market, we have even managed to Amercanize the Japanese; "Just get the product out, and let the aftermarket get it sorted."

I know they have to do quite a bit of fiddling, to meet emissions standards. However, because I have spent long hours, fiddling with different bikes on the dyno and at the track, I can't help but think there is so much more buried underneath the engine cases of the ST. And, I'm not talking about horsepower and torque numbers. I'm talking about perfection: the whole package. (*cue the "define perfection" asshats)

I love my ST. For me, with the exception of the weight and fueling, it is the perfect bike. I can't do much about weight. However, I am gonna' try to become a student of the fueling, and see if I can't strike gold.


Thanks for the response...


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Old 02-07-2013, 12:59 PM   #15939
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Makes you kinda wish something would break on a Tenere so we wouldn't
have to sniff around other brands for discussion.
What about your brake line clip, focus on whats available

Oh and which brand of oil is best to prevent hard starting issues?
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:27 PM   #15940
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What about your brake line clip, focus on whats available

Oh and which brand of oil is best to prevent hard starting issues?
How about the spokes that get all grimey looking? Or that the bike doesn't wash itself? Those are terrible flaws in the S10.

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Old 02-07-2013, 01:31 PM   #15941
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How about the spokes that get all grimey looking? Or that the bike doesn't wash itself? Those are terrible flaws in the S10.

Looks good dirty
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:41 PM   #15942
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What about your brake line clip, focus on whats available

Oh and which brand of oil is best to prevent hard starting issues?
Thanks to a lot of therapy I had almost forgot about that! Thank you. Let's start a sub forum
on the front brake line retainer clip failure. I'm sure things will snowball from there. It does tend to make the
GS/KTM items seem trivial in the big picture.


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Old 02-07-2013, 03:04 PM   #15943
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Well, there is the ol' loosening/breaking spoke conundrum, though it does seem that once the spokes take a seat after a few thousand miles that fades into obscurity...

Then there's Pluric bending his rims, but even that seems pretty rare, at least for anybody else...

And a few of us have had the melted headlamp sub-harness issue, but that seemed to only happen to some of the earliest released ones. Haven't heard of it happening to later production ones. I have to say Yamaha handled mine on warranty at the time. Took a little head-butting since apparently I really was "the first", but after that they were golden.

There's been just a couple of rear pumpkin seal leaks, but so far there's been so few as to almost be nil. Lots of bitchin' about the inaccuracy of the speedo and instruments, but mostly it's nothing more than that.

Last but not least there's the (mythical, IMHO) "hard starting problem" that seems to attack only around the house...

Pluric already covered his brake line clip...

I think that's about it, isn't it? Can anybody think of anything else at all? More important, can anybody relay any incident at all where a Super Tenere broke and failed to get its rider home?

Even one?


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Old 02-07-2013, 03:20 PM   #15944
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Then there's Pluric bending his rims, but even that seems pretty rare, at least for anybody else...


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Old 02-07-2013, 04:11 PM   #15945
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I've lost 12 lbs since Christmas (even with a cruise in between). I'm trying to give the
rims a fighting chance this year. Still being a bit of a pessimist I've kept the Woody's
shipping boxes just in case.
Congrats, what diet? I stopped drinking at the end of December but the weight's not melting off as fast as I thought it would even with the significant drop in caloric intake (no drinking also means less eating late at night). Have resisted going low carb, but might have to if the weight doesn't start to shift faster.
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