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Old 02-07-2013, 06:48 AM   #15691
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Doxbike,

Can you share more specifics of the Gift Card you're referring to? Just checked the Triumph web site and there is no mention of it I could find.

I have committed to the purchase of a leftover 800 Tiger at a nearby dealer, but haven't picked it up yet, so you've got my attention.

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I have a hunch Doc and I are on the same mailing list for Newport Beach Ducati-Triumph...they sent it out yesterday I think. Says right on it, "Newport Beach Triumph Only". I didn't save it because I'm not on the market for another one of these things.

This same dealer tacks on freight and prep automatically, so all they're doing is discounting it back off. BFD. You still have to negotiate the best deal you can get, then add on whatever factory accessories you think you need.

I think it also said for 2012 models...so maybe they have a couple of those left.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:28 AM   #15692
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Doxbike,

Can you share more specifics of the Gift Card you're referring to? Just checked the Triumph web site and there is no mention of it I could find.

I have committed to the purchase of a leftover 800 Tiger at a nearby dealer, but haven't picked it up yet, so you've got my attention.

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Here ya' go. As I edited in my previous post, they also have on their whiteboard a Tiger at @$2000 of otd price. Only at local dealer, but if they have still have special on the Tiger + $1700 card, might be worth a trip from NJ??? Lotta time to break it in on the way home.

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Old 02-07-2013, 08:20 AM   #15693
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17t counter sprocket and new map

Observation on 17t counter sprocket:

I put this on my roadie around a month ago. It probably gets me a few more mpg, but if you're a big person or ride two up (which I haven't tried yet) in a hilly area at highway speeds, you could possibly find yourself downshifting. I'm only around 150lbs with gear on, and I live in Florida, but when going up what we call a hill here at 80MPH, it seems (going off memory) I have to give it a lil more gas. Starting from a stop seems about the same - no issues. Wish I could test it in the mountains, but that's a long ride from here :P Still trying to get my girlfriend to jump on the back and go for a ride as well.

I would not do this mod on an XC as it has the bigger rear wheel and same gearing as the roadie (from what I understand).

New ECU map 20652 (coming from 20634):

Threw this on last night. I can't tell any difference (no surprise here), but was curious if anyone else has noticed differences with the new maps?
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:08 PM   #15694
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Tiger as an 'Around Town' bike?

Opinons, please? I currently ride a SV650n. It was my first bike, and, being relatively small and nimble, it's is great for 'around town', which to me is N. NJ with the occasional jaunt into Queens to visit the folks. I'll also do the occasional weekend away, where I'll ride 100-150 miles, spend the night, and then back the next day. But, after seeing the 800 XC at the MC show, I'm seriously thinking about 'moving up', mostly for a bit more comfort on the longer rides, including some weather protection and having the ABS, as well as the ability to explore a bit more off the beaten path. I haven't test-rode the Tiger yet, and I'm not sure that a test ride would give me the full feel for dealing with the bike on a daily basis. I figured if I do buy the Tiger, I'd see how it did around town before making a decision to sell the SV650, but, money being what it is these days, knowing that I won't miss the SV650 and that I can put what I get for it towards the XC could make my decision a bit easier.

So, given the option of having these 2 bikes in the garage or just the Tiger, are they different enough that you'd keep both, or is the Tiger versatile enough to handle the narrow streets and parking between cars of city / suburb riding as well as the longer hauls?
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:33 PM   #15695
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Of all my bikes, I consider the XC to be the best one for "around town."
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:46 PM   #15696
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Opinons, please? I currently ride a SV650n. It was my first bike, and, being relatively small and nimble, it's is great for 'around town', which to me is N. NJ with the occasional jaunt into Queens to visit the folks. I'll also do the occasional weekend away, where I'll ride 100-150 miles, spend the night, and then back the next day. But, after seeing the 800 XC at the MC show, I'm seriously thinking about 'moving up', mostly for a bit more comfort on the longer rides, including some weather protection and having the ABS, as well as the ability to explore a bit more off the beaten path. I haven't test-rode the Tiger yet, and I'm not sure that a test ride would give me the full feel for dealing with the bike on a daily basis. I figured if I do buy the Tiger, I'd see how it did around town before making a decision to sell the SV650, but, money being what it is these days, knowing that I won't miss the SV650 and that I can put what I get for it towards the XC could make my decision a bit easier.

So, given the option of having these 2 bikes in the garage or just the Tiger, are they different enough that you'd keep both, or is the Tiger versatile enough to handle the narrow streets and parking between cars of city / suburb riding as well as the longer hauls?

I had a SV650S some years back. Has a hoot of an engine. Fast little bike.

Being the 's' model though, with the low bars, it was very fatiguing, so after a year or so I traded it for a DL1000 V-Strom. That was about 2002.

The XC is a lot bigger feeling bike than the SV. That said I don't recommend you test ride one unless you're prepared to buy one. Once you experience that triple motor and how nice the bike rides, there's pretty much no going back. The XC is easy to handle, not a heavy weight like the bigger ADV bikes, so it's still very handy for around town. My office is just 5 miles from the house, and I ride it about half the time. It's not so big and cumbersome that you hesitate to fire it up for a short jaunt.

I think you would just love it for what you describe. It's a very satisfying motorbike. You'll see a lot of owners that have owned a lot of different bikes previously. That speaks well for what it is.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:56 PM   #15697
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Opinons, please? I currently ride a SV650n. It was my first bike, and, being relatively small and nimble, it's is great for 'around town', which to me is N. NJ with the occasional jaunt into Queens to visit the folks. I'll also do the occasional weekend away, where I'll ride 100-150 miles, spend the night, and then back the next day. But, after seeing the 800 XC at the MC show, I'm seriously thinking about 'moving up', mostly for a bit more comfort on the longer rides, including some weather protection and having the ABS, as well as the ability to explore a bit more off the beaten path. I haven't test-rode the Tiger yet, and I'm not sure that a test ride would give me the full feel for dealing with the bike on a daily basis. I figured if I do buy the Tiger, I'd see how it did around town before making a decision to sell the SV650, but, money being what it is these days, knowing that I won't miss the SV650 and that I can put what I get for it towards the XC could make my decision a bit easier.

So, given the option of having these 2 bikes in the garage or just the Tiger, are they different enough that you'd keep both, or is the Tiger versatile enough to handle the narrow streets and parking between cars of city / suburb riding as well as the longer hauls?
I'm coming from an SV myself (S model though, 1st gen), so I can tell you my experience with the two. If you were to have only one bike, the Tiger is far and away the better choice. The SV is a bargain bike, especially when you compare it with the likes of the Tiger. I mainly got the Tiger because I wanted a better platform for doing long trips, and being able to do some off road work (let me tell you, the SV's low clearance and exhaust do NOT like to play well with bumpy terrain.) Sounds pretty similar to what your motivation is too, and it seems like the Tiger will be perfect for that.

Around town, though, and commuting, I think I still prefer the spunky little SV. Don't get me wrong, the T800's engine is fantastic, and the ride is nice and plush, but the SV's v-twin is still a thing of beauty. And being that much smaller and lower, it really does feel a lot more nimble and maneuverable. I know guys are talking about how they can keep up with the sportbikes on their Tigers, which may be true, but I can tell you I feel a lot more confident in the twisties on my SV. Even though the SV has skinny tires by sportbike standards, they feel like fatties compared to the Tiger's. Couple that with the Tiger's higher COG, and the SV feels a lot more planted in aggressive riding. I should state that I'm admittedly still getting a feel for the Tiger, and I've upgraded the SV's suspension a bit, but still, I've had the Tiger's back end step out on me in turns that I didn't feel like I was pushing it too hard, not compared to what I'd do with the SV at least.

So that's a slightly long winded version of me saying that at least in my case, I'm keeping the SV around for now. I like its flickability on the highway, and its lightweight maneuverability. And admit that I still love that v-twin growl. I'll use it mostly for commuting since it already has a bunch of miles on it and gets slightly better gas mileage. I may take it out for the occasional canyon carving day trip too, and maybe track days if I ever feel like I don't need to buy stuff for the Tiger (hah!). But for any longer excursions, or anything hinting of off road, I'll be taking the Tiger out for sure.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:14 PM   #15698
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Of all my bikes, I consider the XC to be the best one for "around town."
I'm contemplating the purchase of an 800 Roadie this spring. I do no off-road riding, only streets, backroads and some slab.

Would there be a reason to get the XC instead of the Roadie for my purposes? I believe the shocks and forks are larger diameter on the XC, with longer travel as well. More comfortable ride? I'd probably swap out the tires for something with a road tread, but other than that, is there something that recommends the XC over the roadie for a non-dirt rider? Do you think the roadie would be better "around town" than the XC?

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Old 02-07-2013, 06:22 PM   #15699
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Opinons, please?

So, given the option of having these 2 bikes in the garage or just the Tiger, are they different enough that you'd keep both, or is the Tiger versatile enough to handle the narrow streets and parking between cars of city / suburb riding as well as the longer hauls?
Be sure to test ride the Roadie, as well.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:30 PM   #15700
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I'm contemplating the purchase of an 800 Roadie this spring. I do no off-road riding, only streets, backroads and some slab.

Would there be a reason to get the XC instead of the Roadie for my purposes? I believe the shocks and forks are larger diameter on the XC, with longer travel as well. More comfortable ride? I'd probably swap out the tires for something with a road tread, but other than that, is there something that recommends the XC over the roadie for a non-dirt rider? Do you think the roadie would be better "around town" than the XC?

Thanks.
For road use suspension travel length won't make a big difference as the roadie already has fairly long travel for a road bike and you aren't likely to use it all anyway. The plusher (from what I have read) feel of the XC might make a difference though. For all road use and if you plan to get more road oriented tires to me it seems obvious to get a roadie. If you are more than ~165lbs you may find the roadie suspension just fine. For us light folks it often considered too harsh. Can't see why you want to go with tubed tires of the XC. For less than the cost difference you could upgrade the front suspension of the roadie. I've had my roadie one year, have put about 12k miles on it and am averaging 54mpg.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:02 PM   #15701
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For road use suspension travel length won't make a big difference as the roadie already has fairly long travel for a road bike and you aren't likely to use it all anyway. The plusher (from what I have read) feel of the XC might make a difference though. For all road use and if you plan to get more road oriented tires to me it seems obvious to get a roadie. If you are more than ~165lbs you may find the roadie suspension just fine. For us light folks it often considered too harsh. Can't see why you want to go with tubed tires of the XC. For less than the cost difference you could upgrade the front suspension of the roadie. I've had my roadie one year, have put about 12k miles on it and am averaging 54mpg.
Now you go me thinking I should just go w/ the Roadie.... You're saying the suspension is a bit stiffer than the XC (I'm ~200lbs + gear)? In all honesty, I started looking at the Explorer XC at the MC show, with the shaft drive, tubeless spoked tires, and a bunch of standard farkles, but it's just more bike than I really need, or want to pay for, so I kinda moved over to looking at the 800 XC without even giving the 800 a chance. Just watched a couple of video reviews on the 800 Road and it seems like it may be just as capable as the XC on anything that I may end up on. I really like the style of the spoked wheels, but I've also been thinking that the tubes may be a PITA, so maybe the 800 is the way to go. I would save about $750 (based on MSRP) once I add the extras I want.

BTW, anyone know if the Wolfman racks fit the 800? I had a set of luggage all picked out for the XC, but I'm not sure if the racks are common between the 2 bikes - everywhere I see them it specifically says 800 XC?
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:27 PM   #15702
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I'm contemplating the purchase of an 800 Roadie this spring. I do no off-road riding, only streets, backroads and some slab.

Would there be a reason to get the XC instead of the Roadie for my purposes? NO

I believe the shocks and forks are larger diameter on the XC, with longer travel as well. More comfortable ride? I'd probably swap out the tires for something with a road tread, but other than that, is there something that recommends the XC over the roadie for a non-dirt rider? NO

Do you think the roadie would be better "around town" than the XC? YES

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Old 02-07-2013, 08:35 PM   #15703
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Now you go me thinking I should just go w/ the Roadie.... You're saying the suspension is a bit stiffer than the XC (I'm ~200lbs + gear)? In all honesty, I started looking at the Explorer XC at the MC show, with the shaft drive, tubeless spoked tires, and a bunch of standard farkles, but it's just more bike than I really need, or want to pay for, so I kinda moved over to looking at the 800 XC without even giving the 800 a chance. Just watched a couple of video reviews on the 800 Road and it seems like it may be just as capable as the XC on anything that I may end up on. I really like the style of the spoked wheels, but I've also been thinking that the tubes may be a PITA, so maybe the 800 is the way to go. I would save about $750 (based on MSRP) once I add the extras I want.

BTW, anyone know if the Wolfman racks fit the 800? I had a set of luggage all picked out for the XC, but I'm not sure if the racks are common between the 2 bikes - everywhere I see them it specifically says 800 XC?
The suspension is different on the roadie. I wouldn't call it stiffer, but firmer yes because it's shorter. It's still very smooth. Firmer is an advantage on the street. Less dive, no corner wallowing, no see-sawing. Not that the XC has those bad traits, it's surprisingly well composed.

Wolfman racks work on either model. The two models are identical except for wheels, suspension, and steering geometry. Otherwise everything is the same.

Either 800 is a terrific bike. The Explorer is big and heavy and a lot more money. If you're going to that class of bike then look at GS, Super Tenere, and MotoGuzzi Stelvio as well.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:47 PM   #15704
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The suspension is different on the roadie. I wouldn't call it stiffer, but firmer yes because it's shorter.
Which is still kind of weird because the spring we pulled out of my forks was less stiff than the one we put in (I'm 72kg before any clothing or gear). The spring I have now is stiffer, but the ride is more comfortable and way more controlled.

A re-valving and new springs should be possible for about $400 at a really good shop and the results are pretty good.

The suspension quality on the XC is better, but I noticed the effects of the longer travel and softer setup negatively for my type of riding. Therefore the Roadie was better for me personally even before making the suspension adjustments.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:57 PM   #15705
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Not sure if this was posted here, think it was just published by Icon? Thought it was an interesting interpretation after they did their Portland - Dakar bikes..

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