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Old 02-12-2013, 07:16 AM   #19006
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people are also the #1 reason for fighting global warming, protesting wars, fighting pollution, proper lane courtesy, fast cars, motorcycles, blissful orgasms, etc...

i, personally, believe the human population has way exceeded its carrying capacity and it's only a matter of time for the j-curve correction to kick in. now, it seems those who perceive the seriousness of the issues facing humanity - the intelligent ones - are those who should be reproducing and are not. the ignorant masses are going at it like there's no tomorrow. and there wery well may not be. at least for the humans. but mebbe my thoughts are a product of my ethnocentric bias. regardless, mother nature knows best...

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Old 02-12-2013, 07:29 AM   #19007
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You have seen the movie Idiocracy, yes?
uh yes, unfortunately i did. it seems the ignorance of the future is already here; thus the making of that movie... it reminded me of that "people of walmart" website...

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Old 02-12-2013, 07:45 AM   #19008
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Ah, I forgot. Only HD riders lay 'er down.

Maybe "criminal" was the wrong word, but if that little girl was riding in the back of a pickup truck, the police would ticket the driver. Different standards, I know.

I just can't fathom a parent putting their child at risk, albeit a "remote chance" of risk, of severe physical harm if they do go down.

Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong.
You aren't. I look at that picture and see the possible consequences of their actions. Not something I would want to live with. Other folks see the risk differently.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:48 AM   #19009
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I don't have a problem with riding if you have kids. I know people on both sides of that debate, and I don't fault them for their choice, either way. I can see both sides of the issue.

Also, I'm not against taking kids as passengers on bikes.

But to choose not to mitigate their risk (ATGATT) in case of a crash... that just seems wrong. Maybe not criminal, but that woman just isn't thinking of the possible consequences.

The photo just instinctively made me cringe. First glance, gut reaction, it seemed wrong.
Sorry but it's not your kid and, as long as it's legal, it's none of your business. Just like it's nobody else's business if you take a kid riding ATGATT - which lots of folks would still disapprove of.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:05 AM   #19010
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Yup. People do get to be stupid and teach kids stupid things. I see it all the time. At daycare, picking up my kid, I see parents whip into the parking lot way too fast. Other kids in the front seat, nobody has seatbelts on, smoking in the car...
But hey, I load my kid in the sidecar and put a helmet on her (and jacket, gloves..) and I'm the strange one...
Actually had the daycare admin ask me if it was legal...
Her feet touch and she has a helmet. It's legal. She was 6 at the time.
I do take the back roads because I haven't gone faster than 50mph with her in the rig yet. Building up to the speed. I want it to be fun, not frightening. She will tell me when she is ready to go faster.
But yeah, other people seem not to be concerned about their own kids, so why should I? I have my own kid to attend to.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:17 AM   #19011
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I, for one, view it at irresponsible to have children.





I've learned that lesson...Twice now...Now wonder I never get to go on moto trips.

I could see examples of that to agree with you.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:06 AM   #19012
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I think we're raising a generation of kids who don't know how to live. I see it everyday in the Army. The young guys coming in grew up on padded playgrounds, anti-bacterial everything, and pads for every activity on wheels. In short, they're a bunch of pussies and we have to retrain them to accept risk.


BTW, I'm currently deployed and recently found out I'm required to take "motorcycle refresher training" before I'm allowed to ride again.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:40 AM   #19013
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You can make memories that last a lifetime, or you can let them watch "SpongeBob" all day. The SpongeBob kids will probably never get hurt.
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:02 AM   #19014
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BTW, I'm currently deployed and recently found out I'm required to take "motorcycle refresher training" before I'm allowed to ride again.
I just got done with my 3 year refresher training on Friday. Just another hoop to jump through.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:31 AM   #19015
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Sorry but it's not your kid and, as long as it's legal, it's none of your business. Just like it's nobody else's business if you take a kid riding ATGATT - which lots of folks would still disapprove of.

My first time on a motorcycle it was my next door neighbor and no one had anything, no shoes, no shirts, no helmets.....

Four years old.

Oddly people no only survived those days, they multiplied, exponentially.
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:52 AM   #19018
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Does he really need his knee out if he's not even close to being able to have his knee down?

Now correct me if I'm wrong (which is frequently) but don't you have your knee down to feel the road/tarmac and to help you judge your lean angle?
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:07 PM   #19019
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Does he really need his knee out if he's not even close to being able to have his knee down?

Now correct me if I'm wrong (which is frequently) but don't you have your knee down to feel the road/tarmac and to help you judge your lean angle?
In the simplest, most non-argumentative way I can, having more of your body weight to the inside of the corner will reduce the amount of lean angle required to steer around a given corner. Therefore while his knee is stuck way out, notice how his upper body and head are moving though the corner. Effectively reducing the required lean angle in the corner. A reduced lean angle means not only do you have a larger contact patch, but also allows to be harder on the throttle when exiting the corner.

He is doing it right. It's the guys who just stick their knee out to scrape it, but whose head and upper body are to the outside of the corner who do it wrong.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:11 PM   #19020
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Does he really need his knee out if he's not even close to being able to have his knee down?

Now correct me if I'm wrong (which is frequently) but don't you have your knee down to feel the road/tarmac and to help you judge your lean angle?
Good point.. When you truly shift your butt over and have a good full cheek off the seat and torso over the mirror, your shoulders open to the curve, hips square with bike or open a little to curve, leading with elbow, toes up on the peg, the knee just needs a place to be and sticks out all most without thought. It would be somewhat awkward to me to try and push the knee back in. You can do it by pushing your knee forward, which rotates your hip against the curve and tends to put your torso back towards the body of the bike. You then have to make more effort to rotate torso against how the hips are. It does tend to move weight a bit more forward however if you are needing that. Still it is more work for me to do all those twists, so the knee just sticks out almost naturally from this square or open alignment of hips and shoulder/torso and butt off the seat. Try practicing it on a chair and see where you knee goes.

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