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Old 02-13-2013, 12:07 PM   #19021
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Does he really need his knee out if he's not even close to being able to have his knee down?

Now correct me if I'm wrong (which is frequently) but don't you have your knee down to feel the road/tarmac and to help you judge your lean angle?
In the simplest, most non-argumentative way I can, having more of your body weight to the inside of the corner will reduce the amount of lean angle required to steer around a given corner. Therefore while his knee is stuck way out, notice how his upper body and head are moving though the corner. Effectively reducing the required lean angle in the corner. A reduced lean angle means not only do you have a larger contact patch, but also allows to be harder on the throttle when exiting the corner.

He is doing it right. It's the guys who just stick their knee out to scrape it, but whose head and upper body are to the outside of the corner who do it wrong.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:11 PM   #19022
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Does he really need his knee out if he's not even close to being able to have his knee down?

Now correct me if I'm wrong (which is frequently) but don't you have your knee down to feel the road/tarmac and to help you judge your lean angle?
Good point.. When you truly shift your butt over and have a good full cheek off the seat and torso over the mirror, your shoulders open to the curve, hips square with bike or open a little to curve, leading with elbow, toes up on the peg, the knee just needs a place to be and sticks out all most without thought. It would be somewhat awkward to me to try and push the knee back in. You can do it by pushing your knee forward, which rotates your hip against the curve and tends to put your torso back towards the body of the bike. You then have to make more effort to rotate torso against how the hips are. It does tend to move weight a bit more forward however if you are needing that. Still it is more work for me to do all those twists, so the knee just sticks out almost naturally from this square or open alignment of hips and shoulder/torso and butt off the seat. Try practicing it on a chair and see where you knee goes.

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Old 02-13-2013, 12:18 PM   #19023
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In the simplest, most non-argumentative way I can, having more of your body weight to the inside of the corner will reduce the amount of lean angle required to steer around a given corner. Therefore while his knee is stuck way out, notice how his upper body and head are moving though the corner. Effectively reducing the required lean angle in the corner. A reduced lean angle means not only do you have a larger contact patch, but also allows to be harder on the throttle when exiting the corner.

He is doing it right. It's the guys who just stick their knee out to scrape it, but whose head and upper body are to the outside of the corner who do it wrong.
Okay, that makes sense. I appreciate the non-argumentative lesson. Sometimes I ask questions and I sound like a judgmental moron. Usually it's just because I don't know something.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:23 PM   #19024
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Try practicing it on a chair and see where you knee goes.

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Thanks, dude... I just fell out of my chair!!!
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:25 PM   #19025
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Thanks, dude... I just fell out of my chair!!!
cute.... perhaps the chair wasn't moving fast enough... LOL
Good conversation you generated.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:33 PM   #19026
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cute.... perhaps the chair wasn't moving fast enough... LOL
Good conversation you generated.
I'll try rolling faster next time.

anyway, I'm not afraid to ask questions. There's lots and lots and lots of stuff I don't know... I'll ask if I don't know something.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:42 PM   #19027
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I'll try rolling faster next time.

anyway, I'm not afraid to ask questions. There's lots and lots and lots of stuff I don't know... I'll ask if I don't know something.
If you are married, of course you don't know things, The questions you ask just proves it. The answers you get don't help you know more. Later, by the second or third time you ask the question, you learn not to ask that one anymore. I think the longer I am married the less I know.

About that pic, I don't see the guy posing at all. He has good form, open to the curve, good torso position, good vision position, has moved and lowered the CoG to the inside so bike is more upright, he is also actively position himself on the bike so any needed response might be quicker. He and the bike are better positioned for many things that are and could occur in that curve. I wished I looked that good!!!

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Old 02-13-2013, 12:48 PM   #19028
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If you are married, of course you don't know things, The questions you ask just proves it. The answers you get don't help you know more. Later, by the second or third time you ask the question, you learn not to ask that one anymore. I think the longer I am married the less I know.

About that pic, I don't see the guy posing at all. He has good form, open to the curve, good torso position, good vision position, has moved and lowered the CoG to the inside so bike is more upright, he is also actively position himself on the bike so any needed response might be quicker. He and the bike are better positioned for many things that are and could occur in that curve. I wished I looked that good!!!

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If it hasn't been said already, he's just setting up to enter the tighter portion of the curve.
He may look a bit like he's putting on a super-racer-knee-dragger pose, but that's because he's prepared for the tighter curve he is about to take, not the gentle, sweeping curve that you see in the pic.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:00 PM   #19029
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If it hasn't been said already, he's just setting up to enter the tighter portion of the curve.
He may look a bit like he's putting on a super-racer-knee-dragger pose, but that's because he's prepared for the tighter curve he is about to take, not the gentle, sweeping curve that you see in the pic.
Agee,
You get the setup done before you start the curve.

Still... I wish I was consistent enough to look that good most of the time.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:27 PM   #19030
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If it hasn't been said already, he's just setting up to enter the tighter portion of the curve.
He may look a bit like he's putting on a super-racer-knee-dragger pose, but that's because he's prepared for the tighter curve he is about to take, not the gentle, sweeping curve that you see in the pic.
I gotcha. That makes sense to me.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:28 PM   #19031
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If you are married, of course you don't know things, The questions you ask just proves it. The answers you get don't help you know more. Later, by the second or third time you ask the question, you learn not to ask that one anymore. I think the longer I am married the less I know.

About that pic, I don't see the guy posing at all. He has good form, open to the curve, good torso position, good vision position, has moved and lowered the CoG to the inside so bike is more upright, he is also actively position himself on the bike so any needed response might be quicker. He and the bike are better positioned for many things that are and could occur in that curve. I wished I looked that good!!!

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First, I wished my form was that good, too.

Second, I'm not married, but I've just learned to live with the fact that I don't know everything. Also, it's easier to just ask a question than dwell on all the things I don't know.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:09 PM   #19032
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cute.... perhaps the chair wasn't moving fast enough... LOL
Or maybe it wasn't being countersteered. Or coulda had a car tire.
Or...

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Old 02-13-2013, 07:18 PM   #19033
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What is she trying to say with her right hand in that position. Hmmm.

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Old 02-13-2013, 08:14 PM   #19034
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What is she trying to say with her right hand in that position. Hmmm.
The circle game?
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