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Old 02-13-2013, 12:18 PM   #19021
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In the simplest, most non-argumentative way I can, having more of your body weight to the inside of the corner will reduce the amount of lean angle required to steer around a given corner. Therefore while his knee is stuck way out, notice how his upper body and head are moving though the corner. Effectively reducing the required lean angle in the corner. A reduced lean angle means not only do you have a larger contact patch, but also allows to be harder on the throttle when exiting the corner.

He is doing it right. It's the guys who just stick their knee out to scrape it, but whose head and upper body are to the outside of the corner who do it wrong.
Okay, that makes sense. I appreciate the non-argumentative lesson. Sometimes I ask questions and I sound like a judgmental moron. Usually it's just because I don't know something.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:23 PM   #19022
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Try practicing it on a chair and see where you knee goes.

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Thanks, dude... I just fell out of my chair!!!
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:25 PM   #19023
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Thanks, dude... I just fell out of my chair!!!
cute.... perhaps the chair wasn't moving fast enough... LOL
Good conversation you generated.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:33 PM   #19024
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cute.... perhaps the chair wasn't moving fast enough... LOL
Good conversation you generated.
I'll try rolling faster next time.

anyway, I'm not afraid to ask questions. There's lots and lots and lots of stuff I don't know... I'll ask if I don't know something.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:42 PM   #19025
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I'll try rolling faster next time.

anyway, I'm not afraid to ask questions. There's lots and lots and lots of stuff I don't know... I'll ask if I don't know something.
If you are married, of course you don't know things, The questions you ask just proves it. The answers you get don't help you know more. Later, by the second or third time you ask the question, you learn not to ask that one anymore. I think the longer I am married the less I know.

About that pic, I don't see the guy posing at all. He has good form, open to the curve, good torso position, good vision position, has moved and lowered the CoG to the inside so bike is more upright, he is also actively position himself on the bike so any needed response might be quicker. He and the bike are better positioned for many things that are and could occur in that curve. I wished I looked that good!!!

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Old 02-13-2013, 12:48 PM   #19026
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If you are married, of course you don't know things, The questions you ask just proves it. The answers you get don't help you know more. Later, by the second or third time you ask the question, you learn not to ask that one anymore. I think the longer I am married the less I know.

About that pic, I don't see the guy posing at all. He has good form, open to the curve, good torso position, good vision position, has moved and lowered the CoG to the inside so bike is more upright, he is also actively position himself on the bike so any needed response might be quicker. He and the bike are better positioned for many things that are and could occur in that curve. I wished I looked that good!!!

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If it hasn't been said already, he's just setting up to enter the tighter portion of the curve.
He may look a bit like he's putting on a super-racer-knee-dragger pose, but that's because he's prepared for the tighter curve he is about to take, not the gentle, sweeping curve that you see in the pic.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:00 PM   #19027
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If it hasn't been said already, he's just setting up to enter the tighter portion of the curve.
He may look a bit like he's putting on a super-racer-knee-dragger pose, but that's because he's prepared for the tighter curve he is about to take, not the gentle, sweeping curve that you see in the pic.
Agee,
You get the setup done before you start the curve.

Still... I wish I was consistent enough to look that good most of the time.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:27 PM   #19028
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If it hasn't been said already, he's just setting up to enter the tighter portion of the curve.
He may look a bit like he's putting on a super-racer-knee-dragger pose, but that's because he's prepared for the tighter curve he is about to take, not the gentle, sweeping curve that you see in the pic.
I gotcha. That makes sense to me.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:28 PM   #19029
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If you are married, of course you don't know things, The questions you ask just proves it. The answers you get don't help you know more. Later, by the second or third time you ask the question, you learn not to ask that one anymore. I think the longer I am married the less I know.

About that pic, I don't see the guy posing at all. He has good form, open to the curve, good torso position, good vision position, has moved and lowered the CoG to the inside so bike is more upright, he is also actively position himself on the bike so any needed response might be quicker. He and the bike are better positioned for many things that are and could occur in that curve. I wished I looked that good!!!

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First, I wished my form was that good, too.

Second, I'm not married, but I've just learned to live with the fact that I don't know everything. Also, it's easier to just ask a question than dwell on all the things I don't know.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:09 PM   #19030
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cute.... perhaps the chair wasn't moving fast enough... LOL
Or maybe it wasn't being countersteered. Or coulda had a car tire.
Or...

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Old 02-13-2013, 07:18 PM   #19031
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What is she trying to say with her right hand in that position. Hmmm.

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Old 02-13-2013, 08:14 PM   #19032
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What is she trying to say with her right hand in that position. Hmmm.
The circle game?
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:36 PM   #19033
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:14 AM   #19034
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You guys seriously never played stink-eye? Where the fuck did you guys grow up?

(P.S. That clever thing owes ALL of a punch now)
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:50 AM   #19035
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Does he really need his knee out if he's not even close to being able to have his knee down?

Now correct me if I'm wrong (which is frequently) but don't you have your knee down to feel the road/tarmac and to help you judge your lean angle?

You already got some great concise answers to this question. I'd recommend taking something like Total Control - they teach these techniques and give plenty of practice on their range to get it right and help adjust the techniques for you. Because of my size, my rider coach told me not to hang a butt cheek off the seat - she had me do everything else but that; I was able to get the same effect and benefts of less lean angle and tighter cornering. It's paid huge since I took the course and things make more sense while I'm riding. Really great confidence. I'm a fan of Total Control, but I suspect all those courses teach the same things. Really good experience and would recommend it for anyone who has advanced past MSF level riding.
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