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Old 02-10-2013, 10:48 AM   #1
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am I crazy/ need advice

to think that I can change tubeless tires on a Versys with tire irons ??? Any advice on methods

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:11 AM   #2
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No. It ain't hard and if it is, you are doing it wrong.

Break both beads and lube them well. The hardest part is keeping the beads in the drop, after that, small bites and it's cake.

I start with 3 irons in the tire, about 4-6" apart, pull left to right one at a time and have them across from you on a bucket. Middle one should fall out and use it to move over a few inches at a time.

Fold the levers under the rotor to hold them once they are pulled over the lip. Sprocket side down on the rear.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:28 AM   #3
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Sure....get them Motion Pro rim protectors.Will make you a lot less weary of applying pressure on the irons and possibly bending/scratching the wheels. Breaking the bead....1x4 about a foot long and a 2x4 about 4-5 feet long, stick the 2x4 under the bench/car push that 1x4 down at the bead. Pop.

Solidly mounting the wheel on a surface helps a lot. No need for a fancy machine/stand, a lenght of threaded rod mounted on an old table or the bench and some blocks will do just as good.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:50 AM   #4
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Fold the levers under the rotor to hold them once they are pulled over the lip.

Excellent advice above by Navin ( no surprise there )


If you do the above trick of placing the end of the tire iron under the edge
of the brake rotor, just be careful the lever cannot pop out from under the
rotor and fly up and perhaps hit you in the face. It can hurt a lot ( I speak
from experience ). It might even take out an eye. I wear safety goggles
now while changing a tire because of this possibility, though it has
been a few decades since I've had a tire iron pop out.


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Old 02-10-2013, 11:59 AM   #5
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to think that I can change tubeless tires on a Versys with tire irons ??? Any advice on methods

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You can even do it in the parking lot of a tire store, and use their high pressure air supply to seat the bead.




Or you can do it in the parking lot of the motel and have to carry the wheel to a gas station with an air supply....

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Old 02-10-2013, 12:07 PM   #6
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Excellent advice above by Navin ( no surprise there )


If you do the above trick of placing the end of the tire iron under the edge
of the brake rotor, just be careful the lever cannot pop out from under the
rotor and fly up and perhaps hit you in the face. It can hurt a lot ( I speak
from experience ). It might even take out an eye. I wear safety goggles
now while changing a tire because of this possibility, though it has
been a few decades since I've had a tire iron pop out.


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Old 02-10-2013, 03:52 PM   #7
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I hope he wore those safety glasses and isn't in the ER having a tire iron extracted from his eyeball!
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:53 PM   #8
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:26 PM   #9
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to think that I can change tubeless tires on a Versys with tire irons ??? Any advice on methods

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not crazy..... maybe more manly
thats what tire irons were invented for
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:39 AM   #10
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No mention of lubing the beads BEFORE breaking them? I've done that and use only 2 tire irons to break beads on tubed or tubeless rims. The lube (soap when on a trip) helps the bead slide off the seat and makes breaking the bead MUCH easier.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:29 AM   #11
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Here is some info for low budget do it yourself tire changing. Besides your tire irons you may need some 2x4s.


http://www.clarity.net/adam/tire-changing.html
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:06 AM   #12
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Dan, you asked, "am I crazy? I need advice."

Yes Dan you are crazy to ask advice from any one of these inmates.

Look up youtube changing tires with zip ties too.

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Old 02-14-2013, 09:20 AM   #13
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Sure....get them Motion Pro rim protectors.Will make you a lot less weary of applying pressure on the irons and possibly bending/scratching the wheels.
In my experience don't waste your time or money using the MP rim protectors they are junk. I used these last fall and all 4 of them split right down the seam and scratched my rim. After fuming and swearing I took some orange juice jugs (thing gallon plastic jug, not milk jug) and made my own which worked perfectly. There are many you tube videos and they all make it look super easy but you will struggle with your first until you figure it out. Definitely use some form of lube, I used pledge but there are many other options. Also I bought a 8" C-clamp to break a stubborn bead.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:35 AM   #14
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There is a thread here on using zip ties or cargo straps for tire mounting here at http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299597
especially good for tube tires as it is nearly impossible to pinch the tube that way. I made a tire mounting fixture and a bead breaker myself as recommended in the link a few posts up (but built them differently) and they help a LOT, especially with stiff tubeless tires...having the wheel secured and at waist level makes mounting much easier and can easily break the bead even on big tubeless radials. Anyway here are a couple of photos on all this.....and tire mounting lubricant from Napa, makes the job much easier as was said and works better than soapy water in my experience

tire fixture made from a heavy duty bucket, plywood, angle iron, and 5/8" rod...also zip ties in use







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Old 02-14-2013, 10:40 AM   #15
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In my experience don't waste your time or money using the MP rim protectors they are junk. I used these last fall and all 4 of them split right down the seam and scratched my rim. After fuming and swearing I took some orange juice jugs (thing gallon plastic jug, not milk jug) and made my own which worked perfectly. There are many you tube videos and they all make it look super easy but you will struggle with your first until you figure it out. Definitely use some form of lube, I used pledge but there are many other options. Also I bought a 8" C-clamp to break a stubborn bead.
Already mounted a few tires with them, yes one cracked but still useable.And that was my fault, not a defective product really.When in doubt about the force required, time to take a breather and reassess the situation.

BTW they have different ones, that's the ones I use the Rimshield....no need for 4 of them.

http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0481/

One of the local shops uses them and they sure mount more tires than me if only judging by their pile of old tires.They sure mount "at a cost" but I recouped the cost just watching the mechanic mounting one of my tires without scratching my very expensive wheel.

Seems to work well with my old tire irons,must have bought those 20 years ago. They look just like the MP curved ones.
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