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Old 02-14-2013, 12:30 AM   #73756
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Dang youze guys talk a lot!

Anyone tried the $30 Tank panniers from pro cycle? All the way at the bottom of the DR page. they look pretty slick for so cheap.
it's still winter for most of us and the bikes are parked.

big question i'd have is do they get in your knees way when riding?
most tank paniers do unless you are able to pull then forward a bit.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:50 AM   #73757
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big question i'd have is do they get in your knees way when riding?
most tank paniers do unless you are able to pull then forward a bit.
That's why I have mine up back. Plus the velcro stays stuck to the sidecovers, but not for long to a plastic tank.

I ended up with a Wolfman tank bag and tank panniers with webbing adapted to get the panniers far enough forward so it doesn't impede riding. Not so hard to do with the Safari as it has large and forward 'wings'.



I don't have a pic of the bags on the Berg, but you can see where the velcro is on the sidecover that stops it flapping about. The middle bit goes under the seat and the seat bolt goes through the tank filler hole in the bags.

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Old 02-14-2013, 02:48 AM   #73758
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Good day all,
I noticed yesterday that my kickstand has rubbed a pretty good groove in my swingarm. I'm concerned about this, and not really sure how to get the kickstand to not rub, except to bend it outwards? I'm not sure grinding it would work, as the "foot" is pretty flush with the backside of the kickstand. Also, what potential does a deep groove in the swingarm for a failure of some sort? I'm not sure how thick the material is, and how does one go to repair something like this?
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:45 AM   #73759
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Good day all,
I noticed yesterday that my kickstand has rubbed a pretty good groove in my swingarm. I'm concerned about this, and not really sure how to get the kickstand to not rub, except to bend it outwards? I'm not sure grinding it would work, as the "foot" is pretty flush with the backside of the kickstand. Also, what potential does a deep groove in the swingarm for a failure of some sort? I'm not sure how thick the material is, and how does one go to repair something like this?
The kickstand starts to open up when too much weight (like sitting on the bike with the stand down) is placed on it. Take the stand off and close the top back together in a vise. I also took mine and used a grinding wheel to remove some material from the stand where it can contact the swingarm. I rounded it way down to make it less "knife-like".

There's some nasty pictures out there of the same kind of damage you are seeing. I noticed mine after it just scratched some. I keep an eye on it and try to never sit on the bike w/ the stand down now.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:47 AM   #73760
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I know this probably lost in the mix so I'll ask again. I recently bought the iridium spark plugs, one step hotter. is this going to be okay running 790 kit?
There is a misconception that the plug's heat range has to do with the temperature of the spark. It does not. Essentially, a hotter plug has a longer insulator which insulates it from the heat of the cylinder so as not to damage the plug. Therefore, it can withstand a higher heat application. If you use a higher temperature rated plug, there will be no adverse affects.

So, you are good to go.

Also, the temperature of the spark will have a negligible contribution to the temperature of the head compared to the pressurized fuel/air explosions.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:03 AM   #73761
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Heat rating and heat flow path of NGK Spark Plugs





The major structural difference affecting the heat rating is the length of the insulator nose. A hot type spark plug has a longer insulator nose. The insulator nose of a hotter spark plug has a longer distance between the firing tip of the insulator, and the point where insulator meets the metal shell. Therefore, the path for the dissipation of heat from the insulator nose to the cylinder head is longer and the firing end stays hotter. The insulator nose of a hotter spark plug also has a greater surface area that is exposed to more of the ignited gases and is easily heated to higher temperatures. A colder spark plug functions in an opposite manner.



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Old 02-14-2013, 08:35 AM   #73762
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Dang youze guys talk a lot!

Anyone tried the $30 Tank panniers from pro cycle? All the way at the bottom of the DR page. they look pretty slick for so cheap.
I've had a pair for 3 years/ 40,000 miles. They are tough but do have a few problems which were easily solved: 1. Keeping them forward from your knees;2. making them fit a bit snugger on top of the IMS tank; 3. Allowing for water drainage- they will take in a little water in a hard rain.

I will buy another set when these are worn out.

Here's a post I put in Krusty's DR650 Index topic #14 luggage.(top of the 'Thumpers' forum.)

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=32


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Roger-
These bags probably would move around and get in the way without a little modification. Here's what I did:

1. Use the supplied velcro on the side of tank.

2. I sewed a small 'dart' on both sides of the top yoke piece onto itself so it fit the tank more tightly. You can see the 'dart' on the right side of the bag pointing from the gas cap to 2:00 in this pic: (I'm no seamstress. I just folded it, pinned it and went back and forth several times on my mother-in-laws old machine. Done.)



3. I sewed a small loop on the front of each bag and clipped a piece of small diameter bungee cord rubber around the front of the tank. This is sort of visible on the front side of the tank in this pic:



4. As i said before, I added a drainage grommet in each side so they don't hold water inside.


Some will think this is too much work and just buy bags ready made with straps etc for $$. For me these bags are the right size, a good price and fairly well made and stout, and I don't mind doing some monkeying around to make them work right for me.


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Old 02-14-2013, 09:11 AM   #73763
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Good call Rusty! Took the kickstand off, closed it up, and it's perfect now. I also rode by the local Ducati shop, spoke to their welder guy, he said it's an easy fix, about an hour labor TIG weld, but he said I didn't need it. I also took the bike to the local Suzuki shop, they said cosmetic also....Any thoughts?






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The kickstand starts to open up when too much weight (like sitting on the bike with the stand down) is placed on it. Take the stand off and close the top back together in a vise. I also took mine and used a grinding wheel to remove some material from the stand where it can contact the swingarm. I rounded it way down to make it less "knife-like".

There's some nasty pictures out there of the same kind of damage you are seeing. I noticed mine after it just scratched some. I keep an eye on it and try to never sit on the bike w/ the stand down now.

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Old 02-14-2013, 11:25 AM   #73764
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Dang youze guys talk a lot!

Anyone tried the $30 Tank panniers from pro cycle? All the way at the bottom of the DR page. they look pretty slick for so cheap.
I think Doe's are Dem!

I got these from Rocky Mtn. $12 on sale. Now a bit more ... still a good deal.
http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/...Logic-Tank-Bag

Pro Cycle ones. Same Same.

I've only used my pannier bags on short rides. They sort of get in the way off road. But if you can position them well ... then they might work OK for you. At $12 for me it was a no brain-er. At $30? dunno. Rocky Mtn have great sales a few times a year.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:28 AM   #73765
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Good call Rusty! Took the kickstand off, closed it up, and it's perfect now. I also rode by the local Ducati shop, spoke to their welder guy, he said it's an easy fix, about an hour labor TIG weld, but he said I didn't need it. I also took the bike to the local Suzuki shop, they said cosmetic also....Any thoughts?
I would get it welded but thats just me, any time you have a sharp edged cut on any metal it is a weak point to allow a fatigue crack to form. Normally this happens at the worst time.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:00 PM   #73766
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thanks for all the repies on the tank panniers. I have short legs, so maybe if I pull them forward I'd be OK.

I 'd have to find a way to tie them down tight tho. I don't want them to bounce around in the rough stuff. I like the idea of keeping some weight centralized instead of in the back of the bike. Not too thrilled to hear they let water in tho...
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:39 PM   #73767
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I thought about making some of these but for the money I'd rather just buy it.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:51 PM   #73768
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Panniers & swingarm erosion

Also have the PC panniers. Did the same mods/sewing described by SHU. Works fine for the money. Pulled them forward with small bungee. Sewed the dart for the saddle strap.Raised them up a bit. Industrial velcro'ed to the sides of the tank. Keeps my knees warmer. Know they will get wet in rain. Oh well...

To protect the swingarm from the sidestand foot: I routered a footpad shaped depression into a hockey puck and bolted it to the footpad. Drilled some holes into the puck to remove some of the weight. Now I have a bigger footpad (works in sand) with swingarm as well as leg protection. Did not want a bigger METAL addition to the sidestand. Cheap, funky, functional.

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Old 02-14-2013, 03:16 PM   #73769
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Nice job on the sidestand foot. I may do something like that. First, I need to establish whether or not I need a new swingarm, get it welded or leave it as it is. I've had two shops say it's ok, and that its cosmetic. But a few friends have suggested it could fail. I'm no mechanic by any means, so I'm not really sure what to do.



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To protect the swingarm from the sidestand foot: I routered a footpad shaped depression into a hockey puck and bolted it to the footpad. Drilled some holes into the puck to remove some of the weight. Now I have a bigger footpad (works in sand) with swingarm as well as leg protection. Did not want a bigger METAL addition to the sidestand. Cheap, funky, functional.

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Old 02-14-2013, 04:16 PM   #73770
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Nice job on the sidestand foot. I may do something like that. First, I need to establish whether or not I need a new swingarm, get it welded or leave it as it is. I've had two shops say it's ok, and that its cosmetic. But a few friends have suggested it could fail. I'm no mechanic by any means, so I'm not really sure what to do.
It doesn't look too bad IMO. I know that I'd run it.
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