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Old 02-20-2013, 08:53 AM   #3331
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bummer, for nearly $100 bucks you were only able to get 5/8" lower......don't think that it worth the money....
Send your suspension to "Works Enduro Racing" http://www.werproducts.net/Suspension-Service.html

He can lower your suspension a full inch with out compromising performance. I've ridden by good friends bike that he races on harescrambles and the suspension is on point. That extra inch will give you the extra confidence in the trail
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:42 AM   #3332
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bummer, for nearly $100 bucks you were only able to get 5/8" lower......don't think that it worth the money....
Agree, especially since I was aiming for at least 7/8" lower as advertised.
I will revisit the lowering via spacer and revalve when the shock is due for a service.

For now, I was just wondering what everyone thought of bestdualsportbikes recommended geometry changes, ie lowering the rear more than the forks ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z5xr...layer_embedded
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:53 AM   #3333
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Works well for desert/sand/baja races, but I certainly wouldn't drop the rear for single track.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:02 AM   #3334
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'13 EXC500 first impressions

I picked up a '13 in October last year after being off dirt bikes since about '98. I wanted a plated bike to give more riding options in SoCal.
I rode it the first time stock to break it in. Did some rode riding and hit some tight single track. Stock gearing way too high.
I changed to 14/48 to keep stock chain, added a skid plate and probend bar ends. I then went on a D37 DS ride near Death Valley and rode it about 150 miles that day mostly on dirt ranging from high speed desert to rock garden.
went really well for a 2nd ride.
I then did some tight single track in warmer weather and suffered the stalling flame out and back firing on trailing throttle. Also the seat was a bit high for me at 5'11" 33" inseam for the tight stuff.
I then lowered the shock and with the advice of the forum hear modified the emissions and added a JD tuner. It runs a lot better but it didn’t run too bad stock. That said no stalling, an occasional back fire but runs smooth and has good throttle response across the RPM range. I also added a Scotts steering damper for the high speed stuff control and safety.
I am looking to increase the spring rates as going through moderate whoops it bottoms and gets squirrely.
At about 500 miles the rear tire is rounded with some knobs chunked from the rocky terrain.
Overall it is pretty much what I expected and solid so far.
I did required oil changes and valve adjustments with no issues.
The forum has been really helpful. I also have to say the rear brake is super sensitive and would like to tame it so it doesn’t lock up so easily. Suggestions here would be appreciated.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:44 PM   #3335
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Bag of bolts

I seem to recall seeing a picture of the bag of bolts that come with new bike
Anyone have that picture

I know it has kickstand bolt
SAS plug and copper washer

what are the rest of the bolts for in the bag
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:49 PM   #3336
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I seem to recall seeing a picture of the bag of bolts that come with new bike
Anyone have that picture

I know it has kickstand bolt
SAS plug and copper washer

what are the rest of the bolts for in the bag
there was a small machine screw to plug the throttle body , 2 caps for the tops of the hand control clamps if you decide to omit the mirrors and 2 plugs for removing the gas tank for cleaning. I believe that's it.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:19 PM   #3337
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I I also have to say the rear brake is super sensitive and would like to tame it so it doesn’t lock up so easily. Suggestions here would be appreciated.
Two ways to fix it, less agressive material, or less surface area. You can buy an organic pad which is softer. Or, you can grind material off the pad so there is less touching the disk.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:46 AM   #3338
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Agree, especially since I was aiming for at least 7/8" lower as advertised.
I will revisit the lowering via spacer and revalve when the shock is due for a service.

For now, I was just wondering what everyone thought of bestdualsportbikes recommended geometry changes, ie lowering the rear more than the forks ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z5xr...layer_embedded
Bill - My thoughts are that suspension geometry performance is very personal. The truth is that very few people in the world push the bike to its performance limits through the corners where they are riding the bike to its adhesion limits. Yes a proper geometry raises the bar of those limits, however if you are tooling along the fire roads taking in the sites and don't have your weight forward, chin over the numberplate, and front tire struggling for grip, then in my eyes you've got a lot more flexibility in your geometry setup. Meaning if you don't push the bikes limits then you have the freedom to set the bike up in ways other than optimum grip.

The Best Dual Sports mods suggests lowering the rear shock. This will provide more trail that will result in increased stability. Whether you want that trait is up to you. By lowering the rear you take weight of the front tire of the bike and this will effect front tire grip. Whether you notice this change or not can only be determined with testing. Case in point; Recently I spent a day on a track setting up my 250 XCFW juggling preload settings on the rear spring and fork tube height settings only. I could only feel differences in the rear spring preload when utilizing changes in rear sag of 5mm, less than that I could not notice the differences in handling, my pro friend could feel 2mm changes in the handling of the bike. The point is that the bike may handle one way or another due to the changes but it is only our own personal experiences that will dictate whether we notice those changes or not.

So if you goal is increased stability and the current set-up on your bike you feel completely happy with the front end bite, then you can try lowering the rear, testing and see if the lower rear effects the bikes front end to the point you will notice it or not. A quick easy test to see if lowering the rear will effect your front end bite too much is to simply lower the forks in the triple clamps, try a large change like 1/4" and see if you notice the changes and what you feel.

Personally I liked my 250XCFW handling with less sag than normal, however the seat height was too much for my 5'5" frame to ride in the jungle comfortably so am riding with more sag than optimum so I can get a toe on the ground. In my eyes though the handling is not my favorite, i crash more often due to not being able to get a foot down than because I have asked too much of the front tire grip (crashed only once on the 250 because of this) in the corners.
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:35 PM   #3339
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CS bolt torque

What is torque spec on Countershaft bolt on 13 500
DO you use and loctite on this bolt -red or blue or none
Anyone using the dirt tricks washer
Any grease on splines?

I am a 2 stroke guy

This 4 stroke stuff is new

I'll get a 2013 service manual soon

anyone see the 13 manual for sale online yet
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:07 PM   #3340
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Low Fuel Indicator Has Quit!

Have a '13 500EXC that the low fuel light has quit on. Worked fine initially but I can run the tank nearly empty with no light appearing now. Checked the bulb and its fine; all fuses are fine as well. Any thoughts on what to check next?
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:46 PM   #3341
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What is torque spec on Countershaft bolt on 13 500
DO you use and loctite on this bolt -red or blue or none
Anyone using the dirt tricks washer
Any grease on splines?

I am a 2 stroke guy

This 4 stroke stuff is new

I'll get a 2013 service manual soon

anyone see the 13 manual for sale online yet
44 ft lbs.
red locktite
grease on splines
I haven't tried the dirttricks washer but it looks like a winner to me.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:46 AM   #3342
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Bill - My thoughts are that suspension geometry performance is very personal. The truth is that very few people in the world push the bike to its performance limits through the corners where they are riding the bike to its adhesion limits. Yes a proper geometry raises the bar of those limits, however if you are tooling along the fire roads taking in the sites and don't have your weight forward, chin over the numberplate, and front tire struggling for grip, then in my eyes you've got a lot more flexibility in your geometry setup. Meaning if you don't push the bikes limits then you have the freedom to set the bike up in ways other than optimum grip.

The Best Dual Sports mods suggests lowering the rear shock. This will provide more trail that will result in increased stability. Whether you want that trait is up to you. By lowering the rear you take weight of the front tire of the bike and this will effect front tire grip. Whether you notice this change or not can only be determined with testing. Case in point; Recently I spent a day on a track setting up my 250 XCFW juggling preload settings on the rear spring and fork tube height settings only. I could only feel differences in the rear spring preload when utilizing changes in rear sag of 5mm, less than that I could not notice the differences in handling, my pro friend could feel 2mm changes in the handling of the bike. The point is that the bike may handle one way or another due to the changes but it is only our own personal experiences that will dictate whether we notice those changes or not.

So if you goal is increased stability and the current set-up on your bike you feel completely happy with the front end bite, then you can try lowering the rear, testing and see if the lower rear effects the bikes front end to the point you will notice it or not. A quick easy test to see if lowering the rear will effect your front end bite too much is to simply lower the forks in the triple clamps, try a large change like 1/4" and see if you notice the changes and what you feel.

Personally I liked my 250XCFW handling with less sag than normal, however the seat height was too much for my 5'5" frame to ride in the jungle comfortably so am riding with more sag than optimum so I can get a toe on the ground. In my eyes though the handling is not my favorite, i crash more often due to not being able to get a foot down than because I have asked too much of the front tire grip (crashed only once because of this) in the corners.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:54 PM   #3343
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CS bolt/washer info

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44 ft lbs.
red locktite
grease on splines
I haven't tried the dirttricks washer but it looks like a winner to me.
Thanks!
What you think on grease -perhaps some black CV joint moly grease
I saw mention of spline wear etc -that may take some shock
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:07 PM   #3344
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44 ft lbs.
red locktite
grease on splines
I haven't tried the dirttricks washer but it looks like a winner to me.
Its 35NM or 25.8 Ft Lbs according to the 2012 500EXC owners manual. Don't over do it.The Loctite holds it just fine. The bolt just keeps the sprocket from falling off. My Husky used a circlip to do the same thing.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:11 AM   #3345
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Considering selling my trust WR250R and picking up either a KTM 500EXC or a 690 Enduro R.

I'd be all over the EXC except I don't think that the maintenance windows will be friendly for long distance trips such as the TAT.

I'm afraid the 690R will push too far into the realm of my 800xc.

Has anyone done any long distance riding on their 500EXC?

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