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03-02-2013, 10:08 PM   #31
StoneAgeMan
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 Originally Posted by Countdown ... counting the number that do not fail has no information. ...
For simple folk like me, if 2 out of 2,000 things have a failure is pretty different than 2 out of 200,000 having the same failure. By a couple orders of magnitude.

I find that knowing "number not failed", along with "number failed", of a product to be quite useful.

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03-02-2013, 10:48 PM   #32
Countdown

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 Originally Posted by StoneAgeMan I find that knowing "number not failed", along with "number failed", of a product to be quite useful.
Absolutly true, if you somehow knew the number that didn't fail then you know the number that did fail (# produced less # didn't fail = # failed).

However just knowing that 10 out of say 10,000 produced did not fail just means that all you do know is that less than 9,980 did fail. Not much information there.
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03-03-2013, 04:19 AM   #33
Emmbeedee
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 Originally Posted by Countdown Absolutly true, if you somehow knew the number that didn't fail then you know the number that did fail (# produced less # didn't fail = # failed). However just knowing that 10 out of say 10,000 produced did not fail just means that all you do know is that less than 9,980 did fail. Not much information there.
What defines the failure here anyway? If a gps "fails" because it was torn out of its mount by a tree branch then driven over by a wheel, then I'd say that's not really a failure of the gps since it wasn't designed to survive that.

Or is it the design of the RAM mount for the 60 which is flawed?

I'd say that there are fewer failures of the 76 reported simply because it was less popular. That's probably why they ran out of 60s long before the 76, after both were discontinued.

I really liked my 60 until Garmin started making units with better map capabilities. I had 2 X 60C, and a 60CSx and my wife had the 76S as well as a 76CSx.
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"The motorcycle, being poorly designed for both flight and marine operation, sustained significant external and internal damage," police noted.

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03-03-2013, 05:32 AM   #34
freeflow
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 Originally Posted by Emmbeedee A well placed piece of electrical tape will keep the card lock mechanism from moving.
I jammed an earplug there, under the batteries. Keeps the batteries from vibrating and power loss too

03-03-2013, 05:43 AM   #35
Emmbeedee
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 Originally Posted by freeflow I jammed an earplug there, under the batteries. Keeps the batteries from vibrating and power loss too
Good idea. Foam earplugs are versatile.
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"The motorcycle, being poorly designed for both flight and marine operation, sustained significant external and internal damage," police noted.

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