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Old 03-04-2013, 10:59 AM   #2026
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Could there be a TR690 in the future? If it could get 50 MPG that would be a nice upgrade. Seems like people always want a little more power.
From the sounds of the new Duke 690, I would think that is the motor they would use if the TR series continue.
Not only more power, but less weight and still 55 mpgs.

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Old 03-04-2013, 11:43 AM   #2027
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Could there be a TR690 in the future? If it could get 50 MPG that would be a nice upgrade. Seems like people always want a little more power.
The 690 motor would be a great choice ... if KTM are willing to cross pollinate equipment over different marques.

But somebody still has to cover parts and warranty for the Loncin motor in current Terra/Strada bikes. I don't who holds that responsibility ... I'm guessing all liability has been transferred over to Pierer AG/KTM/Bajaj.

Using the 690 would mean Pier AG would not have to start from scratch on a 650 replacement for the Loncin/BMW/Husky motor. But my guess is the 690 motor costs 3 times what the Loncin motor currently costs. Enter the Bean Counters.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:42 PM   #2028
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From the sounds of the new Duke 690, I would think that is the motor they would use if the TR series continue.
Not only more power, but less weight and still 55 mpgs.

http://www.enduro360.com/2013/02/20/...0-duke-review/
That bike looks like a ripper!
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:03 PM   #2029
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The 690 motor would be a great choice ... if KTM are willing to cross pollinate equipment over different marques.

But somebody still has to cover parts and warranty for the Loncin motor in current Terra/Strada bikes. I don't who holds that responsibility ... I'm guessing all liability has been transferred over to Pierer AG/KTM/Bajaj.

Using the 690 would mean Pier AG would not have to start from scratch on a 650 replacement for the Loncin/BMW/Husky motor. But my guess is the 690 motor costs 3 times what the Loncin motor currently costs. Enter the Bean Counters.
Reading all the Terra threads seems to show that the #1 selling point about this bike is its initial price point.
#2 is the motor, its smoothness, mpg and wide ratio box.

I can't see how a current 690 motor helps in relation to any of those things.

Maybe the new motor will be a lot better in the Enduro as well?
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:03 PM   #2030
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picking mine up tomorrow.

is everyone pretty much paying MSRP for them? ($6999)
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:34 AM   #2031
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Reading all the Terra threads seems to show that the #1 selling point about this bike is its initial price point.
#2 is the motor, its smoothness, mpg and wide ratio box.

I can't see how a current 690 motor helps in relation to any of those things.

Maybe the new motor will be a lot better in the Enduro as well?

I would not touch the 690 I am happy with the sooped BMW engine in my Terra. It might be down on power than the 690 but is is so sweet. I can do distance on it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:53 AM   #2032
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Terra gets beat by KLR is latest Cycle World Comparo

http://www.cycleworld.com/
This Comparo is not yet posted on line, probably in a few weeks.

The Terra got decidedly mixed reviews in this latest Comparo. CW took a weird mix of bikes and screwed up a number of things (IMHO), but surprisingly even Jimmy Lewis was critical of the Terra. They used this weird survivalist post apocalyptic theme to underscore the whole test.
Nonesense, IMHO.

Bikes tested and how they finished:
1. KLR650
2. KTM 990 Baja
3. Yamaha R1200 Tenere
4. TR650 Terra
5. T800XC Tiger


A few Key quotes:

Jesse Ziegler (Dirt Rider staff writer)
" ... The KLR is really easy to ride off road ... despite rubber covered footpegs, it's really a dirt bike chassis and feels like one".

Editor:
"Not far behind, but much less confidence inspiring, was the Husky."
(refers to ON ROAD behavior)

Jimmy Lewis:
" ... The TR's handling is a bit awkward. The bike has lot of weight on the front wheel and feels unstable at high speed." (Lewis's comment refers to ON ROAD handling, not off road)

Further comments deride the Terra for lack of weather protection and highway capability at speed and short range. They had cold weather and sounds like they'd rather be on Gold Wings than dual sports. The KLR rated high everywhere, a huge surprise to me, having owned one. It out did the Terra every where but in deep sand and more technical rocky tracks.

But remember the theme of this "Comparo" was a sort of ridiculous post apocalyptic theme, with a survivalist tone, IMHO, not a valid way to pick a good dual sport ... but hey, I guess that gets the ratings.

The Terra rated next to last. Here are some final comments:
Just a few more modifications would have vaulted the TR650 into the mix.
"It's a dirtbike wth blinkers and luggage - sort of," said Ziegler. "It was like cheating in the sand and rocks. It's maneurverable and fun and makes a really good dual sport bike, but in this comparison, its on-road shortcomings stood out too much. It's not a survival bike. "

My personal view is that staff need to grow a pair!

In terms the getting through the Mojave (where I've ridden since age 14)
I'd pick the Terra every time. As a RTW bike? Dunno. Loncin motor is still unproven.

The KTM rated high everywhere yet came in 2nd to the KLR because it's high tech nature did not jive with the theme of the comparo. Stupid, IMO.

Anyway, there it is. It is, IMO, a poorly done article of little value. Just thought you guys would need something to reinforce that the press does not always get it right.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:58 AM   #2033
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Oh well, I guess it's time to sell my Terra; and I was so happy with it!
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:21 PM   #2034
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:16 PM   #2035
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Oh well, I guess it's time to sell my Terra; and I was so happy with it!
That's funny as hell I spit diet coke all over myself.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:48 PM   #2036
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I love my Pig ('02 KLR650), but this contrived little comparo made me



Soon enough, Safariland or IMS will make a big tank for it, and Brittania Composites will make an aftermarket fairing. Voila! Perfect ADV bike
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:51 PM   #2037
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Terra gets beat by KLR is latest Cycle World Comparo

I've owned every bike with the exception of the KTM on that list. I currently own the Husky and a KLR, The Husky beats the crap out of the KLR off road and leaves it in the dust on road. As posted above a bigger tank and a BC fairing and it just might be perfect for this old fart, There is something to be said for the Gen 1 KLR's, cheap to own, operate, and maintain.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:59 PM   #2038
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http://www.cycleworld.com/
This Comparo is not yet posted on line, probably in a few weeks.

The Terra got decidedly mixed reviews in this latest Comparo. CW took a weird mix of bikes and screwed up a number of things (IMHO), but surprisingly even Jimmy Lewis was critical of the Terra. They used this weird survivalist post apocalyptic theme to underscore the whole test.
Nonesense, IMHO.

Bikes tested and how they finished:
1. KLR650
2. KTM 990 Baja
3. Yamaha R1200 Tenere
4. TR650 Terra
5. T800XC Tiger


A few Key quotes:

Jesse Ziegler (Dirt Rider staff writer)
" ... The KLR is really easy to ride off road ... despite rubber covered footpegs, it's really a dirt bike chassis and feels like one".

Editor:
"Not far behind, but much less confidence inspiring, was the Husky."
(refers to ON ROAD behavior)

Jimmy Lewis:
" ... The TR's handling is a bit awkward. The bike has lot of weight on the front wheel and feels unstable at high speed." (Lewis's comment refers to ON ROAD handling, not off road)

Further comments deride the Terra for lack of weather protection and highway capability at speed and short range. They had cold weather and sounds like they'd rather be on Gold Wings than dual sports. The KLR rated high everywhere, a huge surprise to me, having owned one. It out did the Terra every where but in deep sand and more technical rocky tracks.

But remember the theme of this "Comparo" was a sort of ridiculous post apocalyptic theme, with a survivalist tone, IMHO, not a valid way to pick a good dual sport ... but hey, I guess that gets the ratings.

The Terra rated next to last. Here are some final comments:
Just a few more modifications would have vaulted the TR650 into the mix.
"It's a dirtbike wth blinkers and luggage - sort of," said Ziegler. "It was like cheating in the sand and rocks. It's maneurverable and fun and makes a really good dual sport bike, but in this comparison, its on-road shortcomings stood out too much. It's not a survival bike. "

My personal view is that staff need to grow a pair!

In terms the getting through the Mojave (where I've ridden since age 14)
I'd pick the Terra every time. As a RTW bike? Dunno. Loncin motor is still unproven.

The KTM rated high everywhere yet came in 2nd to the KLR because it's high tech nature did not jive with the theme of the comparo. Stupid, IMO.

Anyway, there it is. It is, IMO, a poorly done article of little value. Just thought you guys would need something to reinforce that the press does not always get it right.

Ok, the question to ask is how many Kawasaki ads did you see in this issue?
Bet you there was no husky ads either.

It's bad business to critique your paying clients.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:13 PM   #2039
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I dropped Cycle World, a couple years ago. There has to be a reason their editors/writers don't stick around.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:38 PM   #2040
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What is this "Cycle World" of which you speak?

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