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Old 02-27-2013, 01:52 PM   #91
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I agree, except that 10-15 over is not the optimum for safety; I'd say more like 5 mph over ambient traffic is safest on a bike, and equal to ambient traffic is safest in a car.

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Agreed,
But as motorcyclists we should be able to be just as safe when thats not an option by changing lane position, varying our speed slightly to not be "stationary", staying out of blind spots, leaving ourself an out, and planning ahead.

Being a little faster than traffic can be useful, but its not "nessary".
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:55 PM   #92
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I remember that thread. Good old das Rider. His views aint too popular. Wonder how he's doing? Hope he hasn't run over any lane sharing motorcyclists since we last heard from him. BTW, I'm still in CA, and I'm still lane sharing on a regular basis.


I would, however, prefer to not HAVE to lane split everywhere I went but the trip im going to take into Malibu in a few hours is only going to take me 45 mins where as in a car it would certainly take me more than an hour and a half in a car.


thats why I live 2 miles from where I work and occasionally meet people for dinner
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:42 PM   #93
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The best way to avoid an accident and stay safe while riding is by paying attention. When a rider is riding assertively he/she it focused on the task of riding more than if they were just out putting around.

"So, how do you prevent hitting something with the front of your motorcycles/bodies?"

It's simple YOU PAY ATTENTION. How do you pay attention? You ride assertively.

As I stated I do not condone excessive speed on public roads. But working in the industry I can tell you that all but a very few crashes I have ever heard of or encountered are due to the rider being complacent. That is not to say that the other vehicle did not contribute or is not at fault... But had the rider been focused on the task of riding it was easily avoidable.

Are you in control when you ride or are you placing yourself in the hands of others you know nothing about?

I trust ME to take care of ME.
This is also my philosophy of riding.

It consists of continually observing and analyzing what's taking place around me and then taking measures to enhance my personal safety. If I detect an actual or possible threat, I take measures to minimize it by moving to a place where I'm no longer in danger. Sometimes it involves passing or lane changing. I am also watching ahead and deciding how to get through with minimum delay safely. I tend to move slightly faster than the traffic because it's easier to control things that way. It's better to initiate movement than to have to deal with what other drivers do.

What I'm doing is using a process known as the "OODA Loop". Rather than taking time trying to explain it, I'll just point to a site that does it for me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop

This is what I consider to be "Assertive Riding". Others may have their own systems and definitions.
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:22 AM   #94
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Hmm. Slow down for tailgaters...interesting concept...
You kind of took me out of context. I said I slow down for tailgaters to let them pass.

I learned this when I, myself followed a motorcycle too close with my truck. The guy raised his arm (at about a 45* angle) and paused for a second, then motioned with his fingers for me to pass. It was a dramatic gesture that made me feel like shit. He let me know, with a small gesture, that I was in impatient prick and he was just a guy, trying to get where he was going, in one piece.

I now use that gesture my self and it works very well.
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:28 PM   #95
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I ride a combo of urban (nyc) and highway. For city streets - from both my own experience and from the studies - one seems most a risk at intersections and from drivers taking left-hand turns in your path. On the highway - for my money - the safest place is the right hand portion of the left lane doing approx 5mph over the traffic. Makes intuitive sense to me; I'd rather have the other vehicles in my field of view while overtaking them vs being over-taken from behind which scares the sh-t out of me. Just trying to stack the odds in my favor.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:36 AM   #96
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I gotta tell a story on myself here. It's not only speed that has the potential to kill...

Was out for a mid-week fun ride in the country on my Wee--very rural two lane road with a 55 MPH limit. Ran up behind an old guy doing about 5-10 under just piddling along, so I wait until the road is clear ahead, altho admittedly with a double yellow down the center, and start to pass. As I come alongside his rear quarter panel, he swerves wildly across the line to block me, and not wanting to become the Sausage Creature, I drop back 'respectfully' and piddle along behind.

Well, I know there's a traffic light a mile ahead and as he rolls to a stop, I pull up beside his driver's door and rap on the window with my knuckle. Just about then, I notice he's leaned over to the passenger seat and uncovered a very nasty looking SA piece that had been covered by a jacket. Let's just say that I decided discretion was the better part of valor and bid him "Good day"...

Let's be careful out there, ladies!!! The world is full of crazies, some of whom carry....
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Old 03-02-2013, 02:22 PM   #97
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I gotta tell a story on myself here. It's not only speed that has the potential to kill...

Was out for a mid-week fun ride in the country on my Wee--very rural two lane road with a 55 MPH limit. Ran up behind an old guy doing about 5-10 under just piddling along, so I wait until the road is clear ahead, altho admittedly with a double yellow down the center, and start to pass. As I come alongside his rear quarter panel, he swerves wildly across the line to block me, and not wanting to become the Sausage Creature, I drop back 'respectfully' and piddle along behind.

Well, I know there's a traffic light a mile ahead and as he rolls to a stop, I pull up beside his driver's door and rap on the window with my knuckle. Just about then, I notice he's leaned over to the passenger seat and uncovered a very nasty looking SA piece that had been covered by a jacket. Let's just say that I decided discretion was the better part of valor and bid him "Good day"...

Let's be careful out there, ladies!!! The world is full of crazies, some of whom carry....
Oh my God that is insane
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:36 AM   #98
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The guy raised his arm (at about a 45* angle) and paused for a second, then motioned with his fingers for me to pass. It was a dramatic gesture that made me feel like shit. He let me know, with a small gesture, that I was in impatient prick and he was just a guy, trying to get where he was going, in one piece.

I now use that gesture my self and it works very well.
I love tips like this. It sounds like a good way to take control of the situation safely, without inciting road rage.

I did something similar last weekend. My wife and I were riding 2-up at a brisk pace on Highway 49, about to enter the "Little Dragon" portion of extreme twisties heading downhill. I see a tiny red dot in the mirror. Seconds, later that dot is full size, and right on my six. I could see that it was a very new AWD Nissan GTR "Godzilla", and the guy was ready for some fun. I waved him by, knowing that I appreciate when someone does that for me on fun roads. As I rounded the second corner, I could see he was a good mile ahead, and 500 foot of elevation below. I have never seen anyone take that road that fast. I could not have kept pace with him even riding solo...
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:12 PM   #99
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I like just avoiding being close to vehicles. If there is a group of 10 cars ahead of me a ways and none around me, I don't see any reason to catch them and start passing thrm
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:04 PM   #100
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I love tips like this. It sounds like a good way to take control of the situation safely, without inciting road rage.

But also remember. You are not in control of any situation when you are on your bike up against a car or truck. Other than to get the fuck out of there.
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