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Old 03-08-2013, 10:03 AM   #16
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While we're talking Station Wagons.. What's the general feeling when it comes to Volkswagen's? Say the 2003 ish models..

Had a 99 VW TDI, the entire car fell apart by 117,000 miles. I wrench for a living and don't like working on cars at home. I'd look at a new VW or a granny owned 12,000 mile 2003...nothing with any amount of miles on it.


We're loving the C30, I like wagons too, but the kids are gone and the coupe hatch thing is okay for us. Turbo's don't scare me, sometimes they scatter and take out the intercooler, sometimes they last forever.
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:26 AM   #17
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My wife has a 2002 V70 T5 (high pressure turbo) and contrary to the posts above, it has been an excellent car. The only issue has been that it eats bulbs - seems like every couple of months, another bulb goes and I have become an expert at replacing them. I usually replace cars at 10 years but this one is going strong.

It had a horribly soft suspension when new but IPD sway bars and Bilstein shocks fixed it up. I currently have to replace the front control arm bushings and timing belt but those are wear items. I also did the trans servo cover mod and replaced the engine and trans mounts with IPD upgraded items when they wore out. I think that is it, not bad for an 11 year old car.

You can get the factory service manual on FleaBay and IPD is a great resource for parts and accessories.

It's not mentioned above but the Dynaudio sound system rocks! It is the best sound I have ever heard from a factory deck. If you buy a V70, look for the upgraded audio system - the base system is pretty crappy.

When my wife finally gets tired of it, I won't buy another Volvo, however. I'm not buying anything from Geely.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:37 AM   #18
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Had a 99 VW TDI, the entire car fell apart by 117,000 miles. I wrench for a living and don't like working on cars at home. I'd look at a new VW or a granny owned 12,000 mile 2003...nothing with any amount of miles on it.
My little 05 Jetta TDI only has 370k on it and still runs and looks near new. Its all in how they are taken care of.
Volvos are damn good cars. 03 V70 AWD 210k had the cluster repaired for $100 and the auto trans rebuilt at 180k for $2000 not bad at all and it still looks great and runs great.
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:12 PM   #19
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I have a 2005 V70 2WD non-turbo. It's only got about 55,000 miles on it, thanks to my employer's telecommuting policy. In that time I have spent $0 (zero) on repairs or anything beyond scheduled maintenance. The only issue I had was with the power window controls getting a little flaky. I fixed it with a little silicone on the weatherstrip and resetting the electronics according to a tip I found on the Net.

That's not many miles for a Volvo, but it suggests that the Ford-era Volvos aren't so bad.

Before that I had a 1990 Subaru Loyale 4WD wagon that I bought new in October 1989 and donated to science (well, the local vocational school) 16 years and 130,000 miles later. At times I still regret not fixing it and keeping it. I didn't replace it with another Subaru because I didn't like road feel of the permanent-AWD cars. But that's just a personal preference. My dad put 105,000 on his 1977 Subaru 1600 4WD wagon in the space of 4 years.

I know there have been issues with newer Subarus, but the ones from the selectable-4WD era were pretty near mechanically indestructable. If you can find one that isn't rusted out, I'd say buy it.

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Old 03-08-2013, 02:37 PM   #20
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With all this info. it drives a hard bargin as to what is best. I guess, it really does come down to how it was treated, maintained, and driven. I'm really in no major hurry to buy. My wife on the other hand would rather me buy sooner than later. Being that I sold my truck, I'm down to only the Vee for my transportation and her Civic for the family.. At least her car only has 10k on it.. I say it needs to be driven more - she's only put less than 5k a yr. on it.

So, I'm looking for my next vehicle and will post up what I find, esp if I buy something :)
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:23 PM   #21
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You can stuff motorcycles in an XC70! I love mine!

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Old 03-08-2013, 11:31 PM   #22
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I don't want to be negative about any automaker but I am not too found of 4WD because my friend who has a subary legacy wagon had to replace the four tires because one went bad on him, it has something to do with the diameter of the tire and the computer sychronization of the wheels, or something like that, and he also had to replace a radio but somehow he could not use the same wire connector to the new radio and he had to wait for good while to have a COMPLETE wire harness to be sent to the dealer from Japan.

I have not needed a 4WD since I got my drivers license in 1974 it also has to do with no snow or muddy roads where I am.

My two wheel drive car seen to be just perfect for my needs.

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Old 03-09-2013, 03:41 AM   #23
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I don't really need an all AWD myself. However, if I find a good car for the money I'm not to discouraged by it. Its weird to have to replace all tires if one goes out.. I do not know much about this situation but it sounds like a service station pulled some BS on him. . . As for the radio thing that's odd. I would've just cut off the old factory connection and wired a new radio in myself. We used to do that all the time growing up. That is only if there wasn't a factory plug made that would tie into the cars plug that was a direct fit for the new deck.. Just my .02 ..

Well, back on the hunt today. Seeing some decent deals out there but man alive there are folks in the market with high miles on their cars. I just can't see paying 7G's for a 12 yr. old Sub/Volvo with 250K miles on it.. I found one 97' Subaru Wagon w/ 130,000 miles on it for around 3K.. Thought great- as I read the add it had been sitting for a year and a half and looked like it had taken a beating. Flat tire, paint coming off, old fuel gumming things up??
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:03 AM   #24
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Mr Canoehead.... " The only issue has been that it eats bulbs - seems like every couple of months, another bulb goes and I have become an expert at replacing them."

you need to get a meter on that soon. I had an '83 242 that had really nice bright lights... then it boiled the battery, and as they say.... the light went on (in my head). there is no over voltage warning on that car & the regulator was shot. long/short... I replaced bulbs left & right.... then the switches. headlight, ignition, etc.... when the car overvolts it also over amps & cooks the contacts in the switches

I learned to drive in a 1961 122... it was later to be my first car (in 1967). over the next 2 decades I owned half a dozen Volvos. the 242 was the last of the line... I bought it new (demo) in 84.
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:10 AM   #25
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Scottalot,

Are you going to maintain it yourself, or will you be bringing it to a shop?

If you're going to maintain it yourself, consider an early 90's RWD Volvo. There is simply not an easier car to maintain than a 740/940, period. Front engine, rear drive, solid rear axle, simple Bosch fuel injection. I own a '93 940 Turbo. We owners lovingly refer to them as Swedish Pickup Trucks.

I have 300K miles on mine. Doesn't burn a drop of oil. It's a magnificent trailering vehicle. I pull a 3000 lb camper with mine. Excellent rust resistance too: a rusted out 940 is unheard of.

I'm not crazy about Volvo's FWD format. I suppose it's no worse than anyone else's -- and probably better than some. But when my 940 needs to be replaced, I'll likely be switching brands. Probably to a Toyota Pickup.
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Old 03-09-2013, 04:00 PM   #26
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Scottalot,

Are you going to maintain it yourself, or will you be bringing it to a shop?

If you're going to maintain it yourself, consider an early 90's RWD Volvo. There is simply not an easier car to maintain than a 740/940, period. Front engine, rear drive, solid rear axle, simple Bosch fuel injection. I own a '93 940 Turbo. We owners lovingly refer to them as Swedish Pickup Trucks.

I have 300K miles on mine. Doesn't burn a drop of oil. It's a magnificent trailering vehicle. I pull a 3000 lb camper with mine. Excellent rust resistance too: a rusted out 940 is unheard of.

I'm not crazy about Volvo's FWD format. I suppose it's no worse than anyone else's -- and probably better than some. But when my 940 needs to be replaced, I'll likely be switching brands. Probably to a Toyota Pickup.

First off, Funny you mention Toyota Pickups as that is something else I have on my list but have failed to mention. I really like the late 90's-early 00 models w/ extended cab. I know they run forever and the 22r motor last's forever. Issue is they seem to be extremely over priced.. I don't mind paying 5-6k for a good shape truck with a little age. However, one that has been off road most of its life with a big ol' lift on it and 300k miles isn't happening.

As for maintaining myself - Yes - when at all possible. I don't mind general work and some a that's a little more involved. I don't want to go through an engine from top to bottom, but that's hopefully not on the table with the next vehicle I buy.

I agree, the older RWD Volvos are really, REALLY well built and last well into the hundreds of thousands of miles. Years back, I had a neighbor that got one for their daughtersfirst car. As you can imagine she drove it non stop constantly. Was very hard on it and then some. Ten years later, her parents still had the car and decided to move. I was then offered some pay to use that car and move the massive pile of red bricks piled up on the side of the house from years back, to another location about ten miles away. Let me tell you what - that car took load after load of bricks piles from the floor of the trunk to the roof and just kept on ticking.. Sure it sagged in the rear - quite a bit. But dang it did well and ran great afterwards, like it hadn't done a thing.. I was sold at that point :)
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:28 PM   #27
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Its all in how they are taken care of.

No extra amount of 'care' would have made that thing a better vehicle, it was a turd. Would I buy another super low mile TDI VW? Yes.


The wife got a rock between her rotor/caliper on a road trip with her Volvo and the dealership went on and on over the 'care' that her car recieves...I do nothing extra, just maintain it.

I've never seen extra 'care' make a vehicle better than it is to begin with.
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:35 PM   #28
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While we're talking Station Wagons.. What's the general feeling when it comes to Volkswagen's? Say the 2003 ish models..
They source the parts and sub assembly build to the lowest bidder. Then build the car in a third world country. Humm, does that sound bad?

I had two rear wheel drive Volvos, a 940 and a 960/S90. Love the driving but got tired of the schedueled parts failures. It was to the point the guy mopping the floor at the drealership knew the part numbers for the front lower control arm bushings.
PS: the A/C compressors on both my Volvos were a pure bitch to change. It's way down at the bottom of the motor. Keeping the weight low was great for handling but bad for service. Here in Teaxs we worship cold A/C systems.
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:10 PM   #29
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My wife has an 01 S40 which she bought new. It's needed a few things in the last year, but heck it's a 12 year old car. At about 110k it needed ball joints and control arm bushings, also I've cleaned the vvt unit a few times and if the thermostat isn't perfect, it sets off the CEL. We will be replacing it within the next year or so with a V50, so yea, we've been happy with the Volvo ownership.
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:22 AM   #30
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It would seem the car reviews al acattered all over the place. I really can't decide at this point which is the best way to go. I only need the car/truck/whatever to get me 4 miles twice daily and very rarely an extra ten on the weekend. All I want is something reliable, that isn't broken often, and starts when I turn the key. I would prefer for it to do so for a few years until I get a liittle better off.. I'm so close to being out of debt and getting my Student loans from years back paid off that I can taste it.. So if I can just get something to haul my butt around town when the bike isn't an option I will be so happy.. Heck, I only put 30k miles on the truck I just sold over a period of seven years.. That said, I do not ask much out of my vehivle.. These days, I'll out less miles than that on it since I'm riding the bike most of the time :)
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