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Old 03-10-2013, 09:10 PM   #13906
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Miguelito. Sad scene. Hope the rider is OK. "Using both lanes" will get you an ass chewing if I'm around. I ride pretty fast but dang. If ya can't stay in your own lane, slow the fuck down. "Maintain lane discipline." I preach it often.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:16 PM   #13907
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One of the riders who had joined them when I passed them, apparently had a head-on with a car coming the other way.
Prayers for this rider.

Your photo of her broken bike is indeed sobering for all of us
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:26 PM   #13908
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I am in Panama City and have a few questions???

How do you find the location where you can watch the ships pass through the canal? I have Panama Maps in my GPS, so an address would be great!

From where do the sail boats depart that carry the motos to Columbia? Not heading further south this trip, but will be in the future.

In following CA1 to its end at the Darien Straight, how is the availability of fuel and motels after leaving Panama?

Thanks!

I will be watching for your RR on this stretch Donnie. Hope you remember to charge your camera batteries.
Looks like the pavement ends in Yaviza at a river. I'm scanning Panaramio but not finding a bridge except a very narrow foot bridge. Might have to take a (water) taxi across. I see pickup trucks and buses, there must be fuel somewhere.

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Old 03-10-2013, 09:40 PM   #13909
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using both lanes, and simulating a track day on one of the greatest motorcycling roads in Mexico.
Sad scene Miguelito. Its all about arriving at your destination in one piece so we get to do it again. Hope she survives without any serious injuries.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:54 PM   #13910
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Miguelito. Sad scene. Hope the rider is OK. "Using both lanes" will get you an ass chewing if I'm around. I ride pretty fast but dang. If ya can't stay in your own lane, slow the fuck down. "Maintain lane discipline." I preach it often.
I'm on the same page as you on this one buddy. As JicK said:
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:31 PM   #13911
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Since you can find yourself in a head-on situation in your own lane, going into the other is not a smart move.

I hope she's OK and her buddies learned a valuable lesson.

I met a taxi in my lane in a blind corner a few weeks ago. I jinked over and just missed him. The look on his face was priceless... wide open mouth and eyes as big as saucers. I was fine...it was my third near-miss of the day and I guess I was used to it. For the record all three involved taxis, although in one the taxi only played a supporting role to a U turning concrete truck. Happy days...
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:49 PM   #13912
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Had a fellow rider blow a few turns like that down in Mexico on the Espinazo del Diablo. When he failed to understand my concern I explained that I was at risk at least as much as he was since an oncoming driver will be trying to miss him while heading directly into me following behind. Been there, done that.

If you find yourself riding with someone who doesn't practice good "lane discipline", as SOG put it, you need to solve for that straight away. Life is short enough as it is.

Hope this rider gets the chance to learn and get back on a bike.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:13 PM   #13913
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Since you can find yourself in a head-on situation in your own lane, going into the other is not a smart move.

I hope she's OK and her buddies learned a valuable lesson.

I met a taxi in my lane in a blind corner a few weeks ago. I jinked over and just missed him. The look on his face was priceless... wide open mouth and eyes as big as saucers. I was fine...it was my third near-miss of the day and I guess I was used to it. For the record all three involved taxis, although in one the taxi only played a supporting role to a U turning concrete truck. Happy days...

Hah! Lane-swapping aside, for me it distills down to my very basic sense that they were going way too fast for a public road. I remember after they passed me, I actually rode a bit less aggressively.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:28 AM   #13914
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Had a fellow rider blow a few turns like that down in Mexico on the Espinazo del Diablo. When he failed to understand my concern I explained that I was at risk at least as much as he was since an oncoming driver will be trying to miss him while heading directly into me following behind. Been there, done that.

If you find yourself riding with someone who doesn't practice good "lane discipline", as SOG put it, you need to solve for that straight away. Life is short enough as it is.

Hope this rider gets the chance to learn and get back on a bike.

Another thing I thought of was: What if I were riding in the opposite direction and we intersected? Chances are even if we missed the head-on there would be a high probability that at least one rider would be thrown far enough off his line that tragedy would be almost inevitable. You can only hope that that someone is not yourself.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:14 AM   #13915
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On a related subject, thoughts in regard to the bizarre way that Mexicans handle left turns? Lightcycle mentioned the subject in his (excellent) RR. Those of us who live on the U.S. side of the border are at risk with this practice too. I came literally within inches of having a bad accident due to this practice a few years back.

To recap the practice, Mexicans turn on their left turn signal to indicate to a following vehicle that it is clear to pass. When making an actual left turn they pull off to the right, wait for traffic to clear and then turn. A complication is that the practice is not followed uniformly so one never knows what the car in front of you is going to do. It's a bit unnerving.

I do have to say that other than things like this weird left turn practice I 'kinda like the organic way that traffic flows in Mexico. It has a rhythm that works fairly well e.g. passing with oncoming traffic, cars just make room. Something like that would be freaking people out in the U.S., calls to 911 would ensue.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:22 AM   #13916
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The left turn signal, like riding in a staggered formation (on anything other than a perfectly smooth cuota road) is a myth in Mexico. Not all Mexican drivers pull over for the left turn.

What I have found to be true throughout Mexico, is that drivers hug the centreline and will often cross it in corners. I try, believe it or not, to leave a distance from the centreline whenever possible when I cant see oncoming traffic like on mountain corners. It might be cosidered counter-intuitive to not try to "see" around a corner, but having seen enough bus and taxi grills, I like my method.

Cross the line, run the risk. I have seen video footage of habitual line crossers on Suzukis and Harleys.

Organic traffic flow in Mexico is an optical illusion. Spend a day watching the third lane idea being
abused and ignored by drivers with plates from all over Mexico.

What is true is that drivers here expect you to ride a motorcycle like Mexican riders do and they will get confused when you dont. I know that Schizz will back me on that.

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Old 03-11-2013, 10:05 AM   #13917
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Top tip # 234

Never bring weapons over the border...and if you do, keep them out of sight.

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Old 03-11-2013, 11:42 AM   #13918
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Craneguy has tapped into Eric Holder's personal porn stash.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:40 PM   #13919
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Actually, they do look like porn stars don't they?

Boom chick a wow-wow!
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:42 PM   #13920
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...Cross the line, run the risk. I have seen video footage of habitual line crossers on Suzukis and Harleys.....
I'm reliably informed that you can expect a cease-and-desist letter from the Suzuki rider's lawyer. You can't expect to post libelous comments and get away with it. Baldy has been informed!
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