Why do you prefer KTM 1190 over new R 1200 GS? - Page 2

igorpetrovich · 03-13-2013, 01:53 PM

a little difference

Capt.saveaho · 03-13-2013, 07:59 PM

I personally think that KTM built this bike to compete with the 1200gsa. I'll never own a 1190 because I don't think it can do what the 990 can. I'm sure the 1190 will be awesome and I'm excited to see how the EFI is, but I would never take an 1190 to the places I've taken my 990.

fallingoff · 03-13-2013, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katoom72

They have an iPhone to call their dealer for towing.

yeh tried that once

told wait a week

all vans are at phillip island

went home got the tralier

bmw service

contradiction in terms

cheers

still like the bikes though.

igorpetrovich · 03-14-2013, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt.saveaho

I personally think that KTM built this bike to compete with the 1200gsa. I'll never own a 1190 because I don't think it can do what the 990 can. I'm sure the 1190 will be awesome and I'm excited to see how the EFI is, but I would never take an 1190 to the places I've taken my 990.

I'm coming from a 2010 990 adv and I can tell you tha you are wrong, this bike (the R) off road is great and with much easier to handle from a throttle point of view because it's softer and flexible in the low rev. It's an important caratteristic for the off road (to me).
The only limit, only in the extreme off road, if we compare it with the 990 adv R is the ground clearance.

Sporting Wood · 03-14-2013, 05:04 AM

BMW's are great if its a huge road bike disguised as an SUV is what you're after...with shoddy suspension, built in kickstands/rut skis/ rock magnets, silly fixed final drive ratio through a proven unreliable final drive gear, a tranny that feels like a box of marbles made with straight cut gears that beg to disengage, that wonderful dry clutch that requires whole bike disassembly to get at along with its cleverly designed hydraulic slave engineered so that when it leaks, it'll pour oil directly on the disk. Then there's its myriad of computers. There's the one that keeps thieves and yourself from operating the thing when its antenna ring burns out, the one that reengages the abs when the battery is low if you turn it off on start...this lovely feature almost killed me once. But at least servo abs and its complex ability to rob you of the ability to brake when the battery is dead, or the banjo bolt plugged, or the ball valve corroded, etc...is gone along with untold numbers of foolish riders who had trusted it...I was almost one of them once too.

For everyone else, there's the KTM.

v8toilet · 03-14-2013, 07:29 AM

I've owned almost every modern BMW GS of the last decade. I switched to KTM and have never regretted it. I always was nervous about the BMW electrical and the final drive, then with the F800 I had valve cover leaks and worried about bent rear shock mounts. Mostly I always had to worry about capability, and ground clearance. Riding a trail 70% of the way only to turn around because the jugs wouldn't clear the two rocks coming up ahead. Not being able to gear the transmission for a specific mission was a bummer too.

Sure with the KTM I have a different set of worries but I never worry about capability and I've taken it on longer trips than the BMW's and had no problems (I do my own maintenance).

The BMW got me places but I was more tired and having less fun versus the KTM. I fought it for years, spending money trying to make the BMW more like the KTM. It was cheaper and easier to just buy the KTM.

If the 1190 lives up to the hype its going to be a great bike. The GS will be another GS. It won't be a leap forward in terms of ability, it will be an incremental update (YAWN).

DavidD · 03-14-2013, 01:52 PM

Cos I don't want to look like everyone else!!

I rode GS's before Ewan and Charley did their thing and that was fine.............................for awhile, then more and more wannabe Dakar riders started turning up. Good for BMW sales but bad when you are sat at a set of lights, look across and the guy is on exactly the same bike, same colour, same riding gear - only differnce was the colour of the same helmet

That was 2006 and the German Panzer had to go, have not looked back since. KTM rescued me from wall to wall GS mediocrity and boredom. First the 990S then the 990R with nearly 70,000 miles of 'Ready to Race' fun between them. Impersonating Meoni overtaking GS's on the inside or while stood on the pegs was worth every surprised reaction

Buy another GS Adventure? I would rather stab my eyes out with a blunt garden fork

My new 1190R arrives early April and I can't wait

But let's hope its not too popular, or in a few years I'll have the same problem and that could lead me back to the dark side and a Starbuck's carpark and who would want that?!?

fallingoff · 03-14-2013, 03:45 PM

been ridding ktm's since earlly 80's

just as unreliable as the bmw's i've owned

both pretty good

my brakes still work on my servo braked bm when motor off/battery as well

i love the way people knock bikes without owning them

now about tractor harley's. lol

cheers

triplenickel · 03-14-2013, 03:59 PM

Quote:

ktm's since earlly 80's

Pretty much the same as an 1190.

fallingoff · 03-14-2013, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triplenickel

Pretty much the same as an 1190.

yeh like ur knocking brands

now ur ur the spelk nasi

naxzi

nazy

hnazzy

lol

Katoom72 · 03-14-2013, 04:48 PM

Some like a Beemer and others prefer a porno toy from Mattighofen.
I'm sure there are KTM riders that went to the Gspot side and still being happy about it.

Altough i find it hard to imagine....

triplenickel · 03-14-2013, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallingoff

yeh like ur knocking brands

now ur ur the spelk nasi

naxzi

nazy

hnazzy

lol

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say.

nikoktm · 03-14-2013, 06:45 PM

KTM! By Far. I been in places like I'm sure non GS owners can be without compromising the reliability of the machine. But also for you; at your current location, you need to take in consideration dealer service.. I know Federico Henao who owns a KTM dealer back there, but not sure if currently have more options in Medellin.. Also BMW's ones .. I guess the only is "Autogermana"

fallingoff · 03-14-2013, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triplenickel

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say.

well

you

must have

failed

comprehension

lol

Capt.saveaho · 03-15-2013, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igorpetrovich

I'm coming from a 2010 990 adv and I can tell you tha you are wrong, this bike (the R) off road is great and with much easier to handle from a throttle point of view because it's softer and flexible in the low rev. It's an important caratteristic for the off road (to me).
The only limit, only in the extreme off road, if we compare it with the 990 adv R is the ground clearance.

On my bike the EFI is somewhat a problem for me, but offroad the gearing was more of an issue (its stock and I can change that). When I look at my 990 I think "that thing is a big ass dirt bike", I don't look at the 1190 and say the same thing. It's just my opinion and maybe I'm totally wrong, I'm only just speculating like about 99% of us are.

03-13-2013, 07:59 PM	#17
Capt.saveaho Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Nov 2008 Location: Mill Valley, CA Oddometer: 271	I personally think that KTM built this bike to compete with the 1200gsa. I'll never own a 1190 because I don't think it can do what the 990 can. I'm sure the 1190 will be awesome and I'm excited to see how the EFI is, but I would never take an 1190 to the places I've taken my 990. __________________ 2007 525exc 2011 990 Adventure with 08 S suspension!!! 13hp road race 50

03-14-2013, 05:04 AM	#20
Sporting Wood I <3 Energizer Bunny Joined: Oct 2011 Location: Horneytown, NC Oddometer: 556	BMW's are great if its a huge road bike disguised as an SUV is what you're after...with shoddy suspension, built in kickstands/rut skis/ rock magnets, silly fixed final drive ratio through a proven unreliable final drive gear, a tranny that feels like a box of marbles made with straight cut gears that beg to disengage, that wonderful dry clutch that requires whole bike disassembly to get at along with its cleverly designed hydraulic slave engineered so that when it leaks, it'll pour oil directly on the disk. Then there's its myriad of computers. There's the one that keeps thieves and yourself from operating the thing when its antenna ring burns out, the one that reengages the abs when the battery is low if you turn it off on start...this lovely feature almost killed me once. But at least servo abs and its complex ability to rob you of the ability to brake when the battery is dead, or the banjo bolt plugged, or the ball valve corroded, etc...is gone along with untold numbers of foolish riders who had trusted it...I was almost one of them once too. For everyone else, there's the KTM. __________________ Yet Another New Air Filter for the KTM 950 - $150

03-14-2013, 01:52 PM	#22
DavidD Adventurer Joined: Feb 2007 Location: Down South Oddometer: 77	Cos I don't want to look like everyone else!! I rode GS's before Ewan and Charley did their thing and that was fine.............................for awhile, then more and more wannabe Dakar riders started turning up. Good for BMW sales but bad when you are sat at a set of lights, look across and the guy is on exactly the same bike, same colour, same riding gear - only differnce was the colour of the same helmet That was 2006 and the German Panzer had to go, have not looked back since. KTM rescued me from wall to wall GS mediocrity and boredom. First the 990S then the 990R with nearly 70,000 miles of 'Ready to Race' fun between them. Impersonating Meoni overtaking GS's on the inside or while stood on the pegs was worth every surprised reaction Buy another GS Adventure? I would rather stab my eyes out with a blunt garden fork My new 1190R arrives early April and I can't wait But let's hope its not too popular, or in a few years I'll have the same problem and that could lead me back to the dark side and a Starbuck's carpark and who would want that?!? __________________ __________________ KTM 990 ADV R KTM 350 EXC F Moto Guzzi Griso

03-14-2013, 04:48 PM	#26
Katoom72 Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2012 Location: Belgium Oddometer: 382	Some like a Beemer and others prefer a porno toy from Mattighofen. I'm sure there are KTM riders that went to the Gspot side and still being happy about it. Altough i find it hard to imagine.... __________________ Now: '03 KTM 250sx -- '05 KTM Adventure 950 Before: '00 KTM 250sx -- '03 KTM 450sx '03 Yamaha R6 -- '08 KTM SuperDuke R

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03-13-2013, 01:53 PM	#16
igorpetrovich Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2013 Location: Italy Oddometer: 144	a little difference

03-14-2013, 07:29 AM	#21
v8toilet Nothing to see here. Joined: Jul 2005 Location: Northwest U.S. Oddometer: 1,565	I've owned almost every modern BMW GS of the last decade. I switched to KTM and have never regretted it. I always was nervous about the BMW electrical and the final drive, then with the F800 I had valve cover leaks and worried about bent rear shock mounts. Mostly I always had to worry about capability, and ground clearance. Riding a trail 70% of the way only to turn around because the jugs wouldn't clear the two rocks coming up ahead. Not being able to gear the transmission for a specific mission was a bummer too. Sure with the KTM I have a different set of worries but I never worry about capability and I've taken it on longer trips than the BMW's and had no problems (I do my own maintenance). The BMW got me places but I was more tired and having less fun versus the KTM. I fought it for years, spending money trying to make the BMW more like the KTM. It was cheaper and easier to just buy the KTM. If the 1190 lives up to the hype its going to be a great bike. The GS will be another GS. It won't be a leap forward in terms of ability, it will be an incremental update (YAWN).

03-14-2013, 03:45 PM	#23
fallingoff Studly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2011 Location: syd oz Oddometer: 923	been ridding ktm's since earlly 80's just as unreliable as the bmw's i've owned both pretty good my brakes still work on my servo braked bm when motor off/battery as well i love the way people knock bikes without owning them now about tractor harley's. lol cheers

03-14-2013, 06:45 PM	#28
nikoktm Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane (QLD) Oddometer: 115	KTM! By Far. I been in places like I'm sure non GS owners can be without compromising the reliability of the machine. But also for you; at your current location, you need to take in consideration dealer service.. I know Federico Henao who owns a KTM dealer back there, but not sure if currently have more options in Medellin.. Also BMW's ones .. I guess the only is "Autogermana"