Why do you prefer KTM 1190 over new R 1200 GS? - Page 3

igorpetrovich · 03-15-2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt.saveaho

On my bike the EFI is somewhat a problem for me, but offroad the gearing was more of an issue (its stock and I can change that). When I look at my 990 I think "that thing is a big ass dirt bike", I don't look at the 1190 and say the same thing. It's just my opinion and maybe I'm totally wrong, I'm only just speculating like about 99% of us are.

you might be right form a apparence point of view, on my I toke off the crash bars, attachements for the penniers and with a pair of knobby tires it'll improve..

triplenickel · 03-15-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fallingoff

well

you

must have

failed

comprehension

lol

Clearly.

MTN roads · 03-15-2013, 08:09 AM

The 1190 has a listed dry weight of 467 lbs, which is only 10 lbs more than the 990. Any idea what the new liquid cooled GS is going to weigh?

Wuffi · 03-15-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MTN roads

The 1190 has a listed dry weight of 467 lbs, which is only 10 lbs more than the 990. Any idea what the new liquid cooled GS is going to weigh?

The 1190 has 230 kg, the GS 238 kg, i think this makes 460 respectively 476 pounds.
Ciao

Blue&Yellow · 03-15-2013, 12:31 PM

I don't like ANY of them!!!!

Both are too plasticky and touricky... bleh!

Look at the GS1150 - it may be heavy but it's an army grade adv bike.

Look at the 950 Adv - it may be heavy but it's a big enduro bike.

The new KTM and BMW both look like road bikes to me!!!! It's wrong!!!!

December6th · 03-16-2013, 02:45 AM

cause I thought I can still get a BMW when I am old...

Another reason was that the BMW GS Adventure version is not yet available while the KTM 1190 R version is already on the market.
As I need a bike now to drive to Istanbul later this year I could not wait another season for the BMW Adventure to arrive.

Coming from a Aprilia Dorsoduro the more sportive setup of the KTM was another factor to lead me to the KTM.
Actually I had attended a Test event last year and liked the SMT/SMR a lot so was close to dump my Aprilia last year.
Had actually closed the Test event with the statement that I wanted a SMT with the seat of the SMR and the Engine of the Aprilia Dorsoduro 1200 (as my Aprilia made me realize the benefit of drive by wire and engine mapping effects).
If you than look at the 1190R you wonder if someone send that message to KTM :-)

P.S.: emrt = went with typos (did not find the trick to change the heading yet)

Deviant666 · 03-16-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Goti

Loved the instructions to organize such a large amount of tools

^^^^hahahhaha nice catch...

Deviant666 · 03-16-2013, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wuffi

The 1190 has 230 kg, the GS 238 kg, i think this makes 460 respectively 476 pounds.
Ciao

BMW scales are either way off or report dry weight...my GSA 2006 was at least 250+ kg wet...32 l of fuel + a shitload of metal around...the 1190 is 230 wet that's a huge difference imo....

Denalidirt · 03-16-2013, 08:32 AM

What is this you speak of

Wuffi · 03-16-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Deviant666

BMW scales are either way off or report dry weight...my GSA 2006 was at least 250+ kg wet...32 l of fuel + a shitload of metal around...the 1190 is 230 wet that's a huge difference imo....

For the R 1200 GS 2013 are 238kg specified ready to ride with at least 90% fuel on board!!
To read on BMW Homepage!
Ciao

Katoom72 · 03-16-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wuffi

For the R 1200 GS 2013 are 238kg specified ready to ride with at least 90% fuel on board!!
To read on BMW Homepage!
Ciao

All manufacturers have the habit to play with numbers.

I recall a bike magazine that have putted all bikes on the scale (supersports iirc) and the weight was kinda way off to what the OEM's claimed. Can't seem to find the article tho.

igorpetrovich · 03-16-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Wuffi

For the R 1200 GS 2013 are 238kg specified ready to ride with at least 90% fuel on board!!
To read on BMW Homepage!
Ciao

the weight it's declere is for the standard bike, and bmw dosen't have any extra not even the central stand, then you have to add all the rest of the options like the dinamic suspentions, the abs etc, and the weight grows. ktm have all of this stuff included in the basic bike.

Wuffi · 03-16-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by igorpetrovich

the weight it's declere is for the standard bike, and bmw dosen't have any extra not even the central stand, then you have to add all the rest of the options like the dinamic suspentions, the abs etc, and the weight grows. ktm have all of this stuff included in the basic bike.

Thats not quite correct because the standard 1190 doesn`t have the center stand and no EDS, however the BMW also have ABS as standard. But this is like as we say in Austria " counting peas"

. The BMW has a few Kilos more, ok?
Ciao

Red Dust · 03-16-2013, 01:16 PM

Anyone actually weighed the 1190 on a scale?
It might be heavier than the specification says.

jas123 · 03-16-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by conrado

The guys in GSpot are asking questions like "can I pair my iPhone to the GPS receiver using bluetooth"...

And this, believe it or not, is the toolkit of the new LC R1200GS:

Thinking ,,,,, if you need instructions on storing your massive tool selection, seems the BMW is the right choice for you. Or maybe a Segway!

03-15-2013, 08:09 AM	#33
MTN roads Adventurer Joined: Oct 2007 Location: Boise Oddometer: 65	The 1190 has a listed dry weight of 467 lbs, which is only 10 lbs more than the 990. Any idea what the new liquid cooled GS is going to weigh? __________________ 10 KTM 990R 13 KTM 300 XC-W

03-16-2013, 02:45 AM	#36
December6th n00b Joined: Feb 2013 Location: KTMcountry Oddometer: 6	emrt for the 1190R cause I thought I can still get a BMW when I am old... Another reason was that the BMW GS Adventure version is not yet available while the KTM 1190 R version is already on the market. As I need a bike now to drive to Istanbul later this year I could not wait another season for the BMW Adventure to arrive. Coming from a Aprilia Dorsoduro the more sportive setup of the KTM was another factor to lead me to the KTM. Actually I had attended a Test event last year and liked the SMT/SMR a lot so was close to dump my Aprilia last year. Had actually closed the Test event with the statement that I wanted a SMT with the seat of the SMR and the Engine of the Aprilia Dorsoduro 1200 (as my Aprilia made me realize the benefit of drive by wire and engine mapping effects). If you than look at the 1190R you wonder if someone send that message to KTM :-) P.S.: emrt = went with typos (did not find the trick to change the heading yet) December6th screwed with this post 03-16-2013 at 02:54 AM

03-16-2013, 08:32 AM	#39
Denalidirt High Plains Drifter Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Denali, Ak. Oddometer: 733	R 1200 gs? What is this you speak of

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03-15-2013, 12:31 PM	#35
Blue&Yellow but orange inside... Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Sweden Oddometer: 754	I don't like ANY of them!!!! Both are too plasticky and touricky... bleh! Look at the GS1150 - it may be heavy but it's an army grade adv bike. Look at the 950 Adv - it may be heavy but it's a big enduro bike. The new KTM and BMW both look like road bikes to me!!!! It's wrong!!!!

03-16-2013, 01:16 PM	#44
Red Dust Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2006 Location: North of Brisbane Oddometer: 168	Anyone actually weighed the 1190 on a scale? It might be heavier than the specification says.