Triumph Tiger 800

[cug]

Originally Posted by byh

2. The machine must not have been subject to any modification, repair or replacement other than as authorized by Triumph Motorcycles Ltd.

And for those who change their own oil, even if they keep logs...

3. The machine must have been serviced by an authorized Triumph dealer, at the intervals specified in the Triumph Owners Handbook and the service log completed accordingly.

They can write in there what they want, that's not legal in most countries.

[ttime4four]

Originally Posted by cug

They can write in there what they want, that's not legal in most countries.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act

I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, but I understood the Act to basically require that the modification be linked to the failure.

Example - changing out your brake rotors / calipers would not affect your engine warranty. But, changing the engine management software could.

[bross]

Originally Posted by cug

They can write in there what they want, that's not legal in most countries.

My dealer has said the same thing, pretty much parroting that paragraph. I do ALL my own servicing including valve inspections/adjustments etc. and so far the dealer has done a warranty repair on my Tiger for a leaky rad, and I'm taking my wife's Street Triple in next week for a warranty replacement of her regulator/rectifier. Her bike has never been to the dealer since we bought it 3 years ago and 24,000kms. So even though they are saying that, it hasn't been a problem for me here in Canada. YMMV

[cug]

Originally Posted by bross

My dealer has said the same thing, pretty much parroting that paragraph.

It all depends on the country / state. Here the manufacturer has to prove that your modification caused the failure to reject a warranty claim. They can't just point to a 3rd party crash bar and reject a claim for a failing alternator or so.

You have to document services though. But they don't have to be done at a certified dealer, just documented that all the necessary things were done.

[bluesman]

well, colleagues, I'd be happy to agree...but let's play devil's advocate...
most important part warranty-wise is engine health, right? If anything happens there is it very easy to blame on engine software. And very difficult to prove it is not linked. They can claim detonation, overheating and million other things while poor bike sitting in dealership and lawyer try to prove them otherwise and doing all kinds of legal jousting. And all this time...no riding?
Second important part is electronics. And there....engine software change opens whole big gates for troubles in proving anything.
It is very fair in my opinion to refuse warranty fix on engine that ran God knows what ignition and injection timing, no? Would be unfair to refuse chassis problem, but not engine.

[Oshiat]

Originally Posted by vintagebob

+1

I use the Moldex 6800 Pura-Fit. I have a Shoei Qwest helmet.

http://www.amazon.com/Moldex-6800-Pu...ldex+ear+plugs

I will need to set myself up with a Sena intercom system this year and I'm not sure if that will work with the foam plugs?

I use these every day with a Sena. They work just fine. They do a good job of muting some of the highs and I think the music sounds better.

[pilot3]

Originally Posted by some call me...tim

It works great with them. I use my Sena for listening to music all the time, and have plugs in 98% of the time. I can hear everything fine, including nearby cars and sirens. The plugs actually help filter out all the ambient wind noise, so I can hear the music more clearly than I could without them in.

Spot on! Sena and foamies are a perfect combination.

[doxbike]

So has anybody seen a dyno comparing the Arrow can (re-mapped) with and without the db killer? I know having too little back pressure can hurt low end power, so is this the case with the Arrow? I do like the sound with it out, but........?

[Mercury264]

Originally Posted by Poweranger

+1 I do the same. You can actually hear your music better through the Sena with plugs in.

+2 - I don't have a Sena but I found exactly the same thing with my Autozone set up.

[bluesman]

Originally Posted by doxbike

So has anybody seen a dyno comparing the Arrow can (re-mapped) with and without the db killer? I know having too little back pressure can hurt low end power, so is this the case with the Arrow? I do like the sound with it out, but........?

On Tiger800.co.uk lots of charts. I think in Dyno section.

Beware - don't mention backpressure :) when I suggested that backpressure wave (not actually backpressure itself) needed for not hurting engine "curve" as it is carrying specific purposes and that removing internals of cat basically can produce any results, so check needed - I got some beating there :)

[doxbike]

Originally Posted by bluesman

On Tiger800.co.uk lots of charts. I think in Dyno section.

Beware - don't mention backpressure :) when I suggested that backpressure wave (not actually backpressure itself) needed for not hurting engine "curve" as it is carrying specific purposes and that removing internals of cat basically can produce any results, so check needed - I got some beating there :)

don't seem to be able to find the "dyno" ssection-nothing found on search, and thanks for the warning

found some stuff/controversy on the Arrow, but no actual in/out comparo

[cug]

Originally Posted by pilot3

Spot on! Sena and foamies are a perfect combination.

+2 (wife and myself), we use Sena SMH-10 and Howard Leight Max foam plugs. Works great. Oh, and I take phone calls from my iPhone through it at 60mph (yes, the Palmer windshield helps a lot ...) and could play music from the iPhone, but actually prefer the iPod shuffle for this for the very rare occasions that I actually listen to music on the bike.

[PVRnick]

Just finished mounting my new Mega Tool Tube.

[john_h]

Hey Folks,

I've scanned through a good 80 pages of the thread and have some general answers to my Q's, but all the same, I'd like some direct feedback on the Roadie if you don't mind :)

I test road both the XC and the roadie - out of the box, the roadie is the better fit, especially height-wise with the seat lowered. My preferred position is to be more upright - have you found that there is enough room to sweep the bars up and back say 1.5" in both dimensions without compromising steering feel and cabling?

I go 175lbs and found the suspension to be pretty stiff around the city. Generally speaking, are you finding good results with revalving/respringing the showa shock and forks? For those that outright replaced the shock with a fully adjustable one, was it hands-down worth it, or do you feel a good suspension shop can dial in the showa shock?

With a proper set of shoes and a full set of crash equipment, the roadie won't be totally out of it's element for some moderate off-roading would it? Put it this way, would you find it able to go where an old BMW F650 can go? I log only 150 miles of dirt a year with the Chain Gang, and generally speaking, we don't do anything too crazy.

Lastly, do used '11-12 roadies pop up online regularly, and what's a rough price range without upgrades?

Let me say this much - that power plant is so flexible, and the transmission is a thing of beauty - never ridden a combo like that, and its a major piece of the puzzle for me!

Thanks for the input, hope I'm not unearthing stuff already covered at length elsewhere - if so, just point me there please :)

[cug]

Originally Posted by john_h

have you found that there is enough room to sweep the bars up and back say 1.5" in both dimensions without compromising steering feel and cabling?

No problem with either adjustable ROX Risers (50mm, 2 inches) and the Roadie riser blocks or alternatively the XC riser blocks (~ 30mm, 1.18 inches). Cable is okay. I would not combine both though.

I use the XC risers since about 2000 miles and are very happy with the setup. The ROX got me to sit too upright and I got some trouble with lower back and shoulders on long days (500+ miles). No problems with just the XC risers and the Roadie handlebars.

There is one guy who installed R1200GS handlebars - they are wider and higher, different sweep, I like these bars better, but it's easier to go with the Triumph bars for the heated grips and other stuff.

Originally Posted by john_h

I go 175lbs and found the suspension to be pretty stiff around the city. Generally speaking, are you finding good results with revalving/respringing the showa shock and forks? For those that outright replaced the shock with a fully adjustable one, was it hands-down worth it, or do you feel a good suspension shop can dial in the showa shock?

I did a replacement with fully adjustable Traxxion AK-20 fork cartridges. Probably not "worth every penny" as it was quite a lot of pennies, but a satisfying result. If you're not pressed for money and rather prefer a good suspension, they are worth it. Otherwise you definitely need a specialist for re-valving, proper springs for your weight, plus the correct oil. Here in the Bay Area are a few shops I can recommend, one is Catalyst Reaction in San Carlos the other Evolution suspension in San Jose. I generally bring the Tiger to Evolution as I like their service and the people.

The rear spring isn't done on my Tiger and it is actually not bad when I have the cases installed (+30lbs, I'm 156 without any clothing). Might be that you just need to adjust it properly. I'm not clear on whether a rework of the shock will get satisfying results. It might or it might not. For me, there is either a Penske or a Wilbers in the very near future.

Originally Posted by john_h

With a proper set of shoes and a full set of crash equipment, the roadie won't be totally out of it's element for some moderate off-roading would it?

I don't like going "off-road" with the Tiger, but a nice graded dirt road isn't an issue for me. It's a much bigger and heavier bike than the F650GS Single (we own a Roadie and a 2005 F650GS Single at the moment, so I have a good comparison), so, make your own decision. I prefer lighter and cheaper bikes for that kind of thing. That's another reason I didn't buy a XC - I'm not a person to trash such a heavy and nice bike around on gnarly trails. Rather take a WR250R or KTM there ... more fun, much easier, and much cheaper. But that's just me.

Originally Posted by john_h

Lastly, do used '11-12 roadies pop up online regularly, and what's a rough price range without upgrades?

Mine popped up a few weeks ago because I wasn't comfortable riding it anymore after a deer encounter (full repair done in a shop, clean title), but I decided at that time to just keep it because it is such a super nice bike. Would have also taken quite a hit on the price, offered it for ~10k with Jesse luggage, Traxxion front, and lots of other goodies.

So, if you look for private sales you can get a good one, but they aren't very common. Within two days here and on Craigslist I had five people saying that they could pretty much guarantee to take it after personal inspection. But then I got a change of heart and decided to keep it for the time being ...