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Old 03-17-2013, 01:35 AM   #16
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Just traded my Ducati Multistrada 1200 T (after 24.000 km) for the new Adventure 1190 R :-)
I've had no bad experiences with build quality of the Duc or any OEM parts.
The Multi is a great bike, just too sporty and I was missing the touring and off road capacities. And the BMW 1200 ADV I had before the Duc was just too heavy and was lacking the fun part. So KTM seemed the logical choice, and I felt right at home on the R model :-)

Discovered that e.g. price of a KTM chain and sprockets is approx. half the price of that of Ducati. Looks to me that KTM parts are typically cheaper than Ducati parts. Would also expect that carrying out maintenance yourself would be easier on the KTM. The design of the ducati is too compact. I don't expect a lot of difference in the hourly rates and maintenance intervals of both bikes are much better than they used to be.

For me the price difference between a new Ducati and the new KTM was something that also helped me switch to KTM. Think with KTM maintenance cost might also help. Good luck with your choice!
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:20 AM   #17
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GVWR, good luck with your 1190. I hope mine will be reliable as well.
Running cost was not an issue for me, but I certainly hope I don't have to go back to the KTM shop a lot to iron out bugs etc. It just spoils the fun.

In my opinion, the BMW, Ducati Multistrada and KTM 1190 are all expensive bikes. The depreciation is likely to be high. Also, they need rather specialist tires and there is not that much choice - so these will cost money too.

Not sure if the KTM will be cheaper than the Ducati - possibly so. They both have a high service interval, I think 15.000 km / 9.000 miles.
The KTM 990 SM T that someone suggested has a service interval of 7.500 or I believe 4.500 miles. But it's a different bike. Possibly more fun on the road but a lot edgier. Anyway, I rode mine so little that it only needed one service and no tires before trade-in. So I guess it was cheap to own...
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:26 PM   #18
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Well...I just bought a Multistrada ex demo with 2400 miles. It is the standard. Yesterday I sat on the new ADV (in both versions S and R) for the first time. It is cool but the Multi is better.

Keep in mind that the 1190 is a rival of Tenere' 1200, GS 1200, Triumph 1200 and maybe Stelvio. Multistrada is a different bike, eventually is in the same group of the SMT and Honda CrossTourer! If you buy the Multi you bought a street bike in a modern concept. That is it!

I had experience with Ducati long time ago. It was badish...similar to KTM. Cool bikes, very high performances, expensive to run. They are getting better and better though. If you want a low maintenance bike, trust my experience, buy Honda.

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Old 03-17-2013, 12:27 PM   #19
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Christ, this reads like the Aryan Brotherhood of the KTM. Some bizarre byproduct of a childhood where all the other kids got the cool


Good luck!
Indeed, blood thirsty pack psychology up there with a touch of unexpressed testosterone excretions in the brain. I was about to propose to OP to change his username and come back with an avatar with him dressed in KTM clothing to get a descent answer....
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:36 PM   #20
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I have been considering a Multistrada 1200 but have started to look at the 2013 KTM 1190. For those who have experience with both KTM and Ducati how do you feel the brands compare as far as cost of maint and other repairs go? Thanks for any insight.
To give an answer to your question,
With some certainty you can assume that the costs are little bit lower with KTM.

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Old 03-17-2013, 12:36 PM   #21
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By the way, 1190 service times are half of what they write for the 990 for a normal service to even 1/3rd of the 950/990 for a big service (valves n' stuff).

1190adv
1 000 = 71 minutes
15 000 = 101 minutes
30 000 = 132 minutes

990 adv
1 000 = 180
7 500 = 200
15 000 = 320

So not only did the intervals get longer but the work can be done quicker aswell.

But if u are looking for a streetbike with touring capabilities and a sporty character you're way cheaper off with the 2013 SMT.
Service might cost a bit more but the new price is cheaper then the 1190 and ALLOT cheaper then the Multi.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:40 PM   #22
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Sooo,,, While some can scream damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,,

Some of us have to include the financial impact of operating our toys, fact of life..

The OP had experience with a Duc,, is looking at a KTM,, wants to know if the KTM will cost a bunch more to operate. (A bunch less is a bonus.. )

Its a sanity check to make sure your not buying in to an unaffordable situation.

I dont see the harm in that...


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Old 03-17-2013, 12:43 PM   #23
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@katoom

You are right. My 990 was more expensive than the Multi especially because of the service times. This should be better with the 1190 and most of the parts are cheaper from KTM in my memory.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:47 PM   #24
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@katoom

You are right. My 990 was more expensive than the Multi especially because of the service times. This should be better with the 1190 and most of the parts are cheaper from KTM in my memory.
Just curious, how about farkels? Like let's say a radiator guard or bashplate.
Are they more expensive aswell on a Duc? (my guess is yes since the addons have to look as sharp as the bike)
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:55 PM   #25
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My 2p (or 2c for our US friends) worth !

I do a fair few miles by UK standards - 10,000 plus a year on my 990 over the last 4 years.

I am changing to an 1190 (next week with a bit of luck).

One factor that came into the equation of whether to change or not was the cost of running the bike. My current 990 was due for replacement so I could have bought a new 990 instead of the 1190 - but my past (I used to be an accountant !) came into play. I reckon the 1190 will cost me 125 a year for servicing (ignoring tyres/chain and sprockets, and brake pads) compared to 500 for the 990. The better fuel consumption should save me 250 a year as well.

So I will save over 500 per year by running an 1190 compared to a 990. That will very quickly erode the higher upfront cost of the 1190 .........

As far as the OP's original post I cannot really comment but I am sure the KTM will be cheaper than the MTS.

Of course you should really forget the hard cost of ownership and think in terms of smiles per mile and let that decide which is the better bike
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:14 PM   #26
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major service for the Duc should be around $1,000usd at 15,000 miles.
no experience with the KTM
in the end, ride them both and buy what u will happy with in the long run. in my experience the biggest motorcycle cost has always been buying a bike your not happy with a year later then eating the depreciation to buy the next bike.
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:29 PM   #27
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If your question is indicative of your priorities, you are not a
motorcycle enthusiast and frankly you don't even deserve to
own fine machinery. You have the mindset which would have
the entire world driving a beige Toyota Camry because it has
the lowest operating costs. The mere thought of this makes
my stomach want to eject its contents like Linda Blair did in
"The Exorcist".


One good ride on a KTM LC8-engine bike and any rider
who is an enthusiast will be thinking : "costs be damned,
I've got to have this bike !" And that rider won't be
wondering how much it costs to operate, not then and not
ever. All the rider will be thinking about is when the next
ride can happen.


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By your logic the Duc must be a vastly superior bike because it's far more expensive to maintain.
Why does a fine piece of machinery have to be expensive to maintain anyway?
This is the kind of thing that really puts me off to owning a KTM. I like the bikes, but there seems to be quite an elitist jerk attitude by a number of owners. Let me also say I know a number of great guys who own these bikes, but I know a few who sound just like above post.
I've personally ridden a few and liked the SMT, the RC8 was of course a fast torture device.
The 990 Adventure left me kind of sad because I really wanted one. Maybe I need to take another ride on one because it seemed pretty bland to me.

Cost of ownership is a concern for most people, most of them haggle over the selling price as well. I'm more like most people, I'll give up a little of the cool factor to gain a lot when it comes to things like maintenance costs. I currently own five bikes, a couple of which are European but they aren't particularly high maintenance bikes either.

Buy what you want that you can or are willing to afford.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:55 AM   #28
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Unless u don't know how to pickup a wrench urself you're better of with a boring Jap. And believe me, they are boring compared to an European. I ride for the fun of it so KTM is the logic choice.
Hell even if i could not wrench i'd pick a KTM or any other European over a Jap. Name me 1 Jap that comes close to a Euro bike in riding experience.
Is KTM in motogp?
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:47 AM   #29
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Is KTM in motogp?
Asking this question is pointless as comparing MotoGP bikes with any other standard bike is as comparing an F1 car with Ford Focus.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:03 PM   #30
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If your question is indicative of your priorities, you are not a
motorcycle enthusiast and frankly you don't even deserve to
own fine machinery.
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I think that's a bit harsh... I consider myself and enthusiast, I have two bikes, ride year round and average more that 20K miles a year. I recently traded my KTM A990 for a Super Tenere, not so much due to maintenance cost, but due to the amount of maintenance required, the quarkiness, stock ergos, and I didn't trust it. My other bike is a Victory Vision, and its been all over the western US. Its also easy and quick to maintain, with the exception of rear tire changes.

It just seemed like I was doing as much wrenching as I was riding on the KTM, and I would rather be riding than wrenching. So I traded my KTM for the Tenere, and have been very happy.

You can be an enthusiast, and still concerned about maintenance time and cost. Although comparing a KTM to a Ducati for maintenance cost, is kind of like discussing the difference in potato and po-TA-to. I would imagine there would not be much of a difference with these two machines.
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