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Old 03-07-2013, 06:11 AM   #1216
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Yup, especially on the street, much safer, If I am braking after I am leaned over, it is because I misjudged the corner, or have great visibility. As soon as I roll into a turn, I am maintaining or accelerating. And slow in fast out is fast even on the track. I believe Kenny Roberts espouses to this technique. It works even on the track, and track days, I know from first hand experience. a 5-10 mph higher exit speed would let my 200lbs frame, on a 550 lbs, 90 hp bike, outrun the CBRYZGSXKZ 600's on a regular basis.
So you are disagreeing with the logic that you should keep some pressure on the front brake until you can see a late apex and that the road is clear
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:14 AM   #1217
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So you are disagreeing with the logic that you should keep some pressure on the front brake until you can see a late apex and that the road is clear
Keep pressure, I will say yes I am disagreeing, not my style. Keep fingers on the lever at the ready is prudent. I late apex, to maximize vision, and my pitch in on most corners is not until I can see the exit, or at least feel I have enough clues to know where the exit is.

In reality in the tight twisty stuff I rarely use the brakes, I like to keep it simple and keep the revs up, that makes the throttle alone do 90% of the speed control. On the street you can ride very swiftly in the corners, without rushing blindly into corners so that you need to rely on the brakes a lot. Remember SMOOTH is fast

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Old 03-14-2013, 11:36 AM   #1218
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Ride with patients. QUOTE]

With patients? From the hospital?

Sorry, first post on this forum and I'm being a grammer dick on a two year old post.
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:48 PM   #1219
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With patients? From the hospital?

Sorry, first post on this forum and I'm being a grammer dick on a two year old post.
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:55 PM   #1220
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It's hard to resist, but you'll learn. Don't try it in Jo Mamma!

What he meant was you need to ride with patients so as not to become one of the patience.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:04 PM   #1221
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What he meant was you need to ride with patients so as not to become one of the patience.
Things just became surreal. Lol whut?
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:18 AM   #1222
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Question.

I can "work up" to a full lock turn on my bike by turning and slowly making it tighter over a full circle or two, but I cannot immediately just jump into making a turn that tight from moving in a straight line. This makes it difficult to execute u-turns on demand. If I want to make a u-turn on the street I almost always run wide, but if I am in a parking lot, I can usually get my turning radius down to a parking space + one half ~15'. That should be plenty tight enough for any road but I cannot seem to execute it without a good bit of warmup.

Are there any drills or tips for doing this "on command"? I always feel like I am going too fast at 8mph, even though that should be fine.
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:29 PM   #1223
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Second question.

I am under the impression that to scrub in the edges of tires, it would be wise to counterlean through a corner to push the bike down onto the edge of the tire but still have less lateral G force than you would if you were hanging off and on the edge of the tire.

Basically two riding positions, both riding on the edge of the tire:
A) Crossed up/counterleaning, e.g. .6G through the corner of radius X at 30mph
B) Hanging off, e.g. .8G through the corner of radius X at 50mph

Both let you use the edge of the tire but you are pushing the tire less when crossed up correct?


Given this assumption if correct, are you therefore less likely to lowside when crossed up and scraping pegs, than if you are hanging off and scraping pegs, given that if you're hanging off and scraping pegs, you're putting far more lateral G force on the tire than if you were sitting upright and pushing the bike down into the corner?
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:38 PM   #1224
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Beats me, but I'd suggest you play around with this stuff at the track. Pushing skills isn't a thing to do on the street where you may round a corner to find a girl scout troop crossing the road or patch of diesel or some sand. If you are pushing your limits, you won't have the ability to take evasive action.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:46 PM   #1225
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I prefer a parking lot!

Question three:

Is the sole purpose of counterleaning during u-turns so that we can do them at slower speeds? If so, why can't I just sit straight in the saddle and add a few mph to my speed and maintain the same lean angle and turn radius? Or might I even hang off and do a u-turn scraping the pegs and knee at 20mph instead of 7?

This is making me think the whole drag rear brake and counterlean business is a waste of time, just add a little throttle and you can maintain the same turning radius without having to mess with the clutch or rear brake or shifting your weight at all yes?
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:53 PM   #1226
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I prefer a parking lot!

Question three:

Is the sole purpose of counterleaning during u-turns so that we can do them at slower speeds? If so, why can't I just sit straight in the saddle and add a few mph to my speed and maintain the same lean angle and turn radius? Or might I even hang off and do a u-turn scraping the pegs and knee at 20mph instead of 7?

This is making me think the whole drag rear brake and counterlean business is a waste of time, just add a little throttle and you can maintain the same turning radius without having to mess with the clutch or rear brake or shifting your weight at all yes?
You should check out the Gymkhana thread in this same subforum.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:48 AM   #1227
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You should check out the Gymkhana thread in this same subforum.
I thought about posting my questions there but this seemed more appropriate. I went to one but it was more like a slow obstacle course hehe.

I answered my first question myself, the answer was simply to countersteer faster so I immediately drop into a significant lean and the bars swing back around to full lock to keep the bike upright. Will take some practice to get it down pat.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:53 PM   #1228
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The Rules of Motorcycle Riding:


1st RULE: You are not Immortal


2
nd RULE:
You are NOT Immortal


3rd RULE: The hospital is a painful/scary/depressing/expensive place you don't want to go to

4th RULE: ATGATT M*T*E*F*C*E*S! Do You Speak It?

5th RULE: Look where you're going @sshole!

6th RULE: No countersteerin', no gain!

7th RULE: The greatest hazard is the one you didn't see coming

8th RULE: You are not a motorcyclist until you've run out of gas in the middle of nowhere with no cellphone coverage or GPS. Go ride some!






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Old 03-22-2013, 02:54 PM   #1229
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Just because the aftermarket part is for your bike doesn't mean you just slap it on there. especially if has been sitting in someone's shed for 30 years cuz they long sold their bike and finally decided to get rid of the part.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:52 AM   #1230
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Most of these posts are right on the money. I'm a semi-geezer at 45, and learned to ride in the woods back when the XR 600 was king. I later moved on to a host of 2-stroke machines that taught me about big power coming in very small packages. No one can argue against the skill set developed through riding off road, where the terrain changes by the foot, and the bike is always floating under you in a state of constant over / understeer. Here in VT, the roads are a constant mess, with most of the asphalt connecting to gravel. There are often huge sections that come out of nowhere that contain marble sized gravel and sand to catch you out. The "old and bold" comment is accurate as hell.
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