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Old 04-01-2013, 05:55 PM   #91
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Kudos's to you Kenny!

In the clutch of controversy, when simple facts would seem to elucidate a principal, it is always surprising if not beguileing, that cynicism and derision inhibit the search for a solution. Thankyou for making the case for the seriousness of this issue.

Let us hope my e-mails to EK, Regina, and Suzuki may shed some light on this matter.

It really comes down to a simple matter: who makes an honest chain?
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:58 PM   #92
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Please keep us informed of their response, After todays spirited ride I had to add 5 clicks on my snails and only have about another 10 left
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:07 PM   #93
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I know it adds to the cost of new chains but what Im thinking about doing is buying 4 or 5 master links with my next new chain. Then shortening the chain when newly installed, then as the chain stretches Ill cut out a couple stretched links, add a couple of the previously trimed new links and a master link to reconnect. This way it will always be in the shortest of adjustments and Ill get the full stretch out of my chain. I think the chain will even last longer because the newer links will be starting thier stretch cycle in a delayed sequence. The only extra cost really will be the initial puchase of the extra master links but I can just keep those when buying the next chain and repeat from there. Might even save a few bucks by prolonging wear/stretch.
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:26 PM   #94
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I'm very surprised to see your cynicism in this most important discussion when it appears you were a victim of a half worn chain problem yourself
Half worn? The teeth on the contershaft sprocket are hooked... I'd think that chain will be well beyond 5% stretch.

Replacing sections of worn chain with new does nothing for safety nor ware on sprockets... replace the chain - all of it when worn.

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Kenny - when the chain starts to go ..it will go rapidly ... replace your chain (and probably sprockets) NOW. Don't wait.

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If you want to save money ... replace the chain when only part worn - the sprockets will still be good. When that chain is again part worn - put the old chain back on .. and continue cycling the chains... this way you get more miles from your sprockets. Unfortunaly this is too difficult with "end less" chains - master links are the way to go here .. replace the master links every now and then as a safety measure.
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:35 PM   #95
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E] the hooked sprocket would not cause the chain to break. And its pretty simple to understand his chain would not have broken at that time if it wasnt purchased with the pins undersized a few thousands of an inc
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:51 PM   #96
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Half worn? The teeth on the contershaft sprocket are hooked... I'd think that chain will be well beyond 5% stretch.

Replacing sections of worn chain with new does nothing for safety nor ware on sprockets... replace the chain - all of it when worn.

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Kenny - when the chain starts to go ..it will go rapidly ... replace your chain (and probably sprockets) NOW. Don't wait.

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If you want to save money ... replace the chain when only part worn - the sprockets will still be good. When that chain is again part worn - put the old chain back on .. and continue cycling the chains... this way you get more miles from your sprockets. Unfortunaly this is too difficult with "end less" chains - master links are the way to go here .. replace the master links every now and then as a safety measure.
Do you mean clip-style masters? No way I'd run a clip-style master link on the street.
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:54 PM   #97
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Nonsense I have 3 on my xr and 2on my exc with no problems ever
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:21 PM   #98
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Nonsense I have 3 on my xr and 2on my exc with no problems ever
And I've ridden without a helmet before and didn't die, therefore it's not dangerous...
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:31 PM   #99
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I'm very surprised to see your cynicism in this most important discussion when it appears you were a victim of a half worn chain problem yourself
The chain that did that damage had less than 5000 miles and was well within spec. My adjusters were no where near the end of adjustment.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:34 PM   #100
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The chain that did that damage had less than 5000 miles and was well within spec. My adjusters were no where near the end of adjustment.
Just as I thought
That's proof right there. Did u save it?
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:37 PM   #101
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And I've ridden without a helmet before and didn't die, therefore it's not dangerous...
Did you fall and severely impact your head? If not that's like saying I wore a string bikini and nobody laughed at me when you only wore it in your secluded back yard barbecuing. My chain us used as designed every time I ride...big difference
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:06 PM   #102
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Just as I thought
That's proof right there. Did u save it?

I might have it kicking around somewhere. I'll look. If I have it, it's yours. All you'll need is a master link. ( I prefer clip style)
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:08 PM   #103
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I don't want to run it. Just test it
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:30 PM   #104
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Now we're into a whole new subject. Some tool company decides it's better to run a rivet on your chain instead of a clip to sell more rivet tools. Probably brothers with bad blood, one owns the tooling company and the other the clip manufacturing company. I can tell you how Ive seen rivets come loose. Not once have I seen a C clip come off, especially if you safety wire it on like the racers do. Not to mention I can find the end of my chain and keep track of the stretched links that need replacing.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:43 PM   #105
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Did you fall and severely impact your head? If not that's like saying I wore a string bikini and nobody laughed at me when you only wore it in your secluded back yard barbecuing. My chain us used as designed every time I ride...big difference
My point was that anecdotal evidence is not nearly proof enough to call my post "nonsense." You have a total of five clip links and none of them failed. That is hardly an exhaustive study.

Look around the internet; it is full of stories of failed clip links. Sure, a failed rivet link will pop up once in awhile, but you can't deny that it happens far more often with clip links. Clip link guys commonly counter that it's most likely because they were installed incorrectly. That's fine and all, but they seem to be installed incorrectly quite a bit judging by how often they fail compared to rivet links.

Riveting a chain is easy, and it's cheap insurance in my opinion. Other than the initial cost of the tool (I got my Motion Pro riveter for about $70 if I'm recalling correctly), I can't see a real downside to riveting over clip.
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