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Old 04-08-2013, 02:16 AM   #31
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BMW by way of Kymco. $10k. You have to be kidding. I own three BMW airheads that I don't have that much money in...

Que sera. Whatever blows your skirt up. Personally, a Kymco 150 or 250 People would suit me and cost a fraction of what a roundel equipped Kymco/BMW. Corporate BMW lost this rider years ago.
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:27 AM   #32
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Yeah but you're still the happy-go-lucky guy you always were?
Hands you the TP

Yup it's a Kymco in there . . . scary ain't it?
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:55 AM   #33
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Yeah but you're still the happy-go-lucky guy you always were?
Hands you the TP

Yup it's a Kymco in there . . . scary ain't it?
Kymco is a better company than people give them credit for. Spot on reliability on my People 150, and others I've talked to that own them, including people like me that have been riding everything from dirt bikes to harleys (and everything in between...I am at well over 25 bikes in my life so far) have nothing but praise for them.

That being said, it'd be hard for me to pay BMW money for a Kymco. Just sayin'. Looking to get into the maxi-scooter thing, but think I'll stick with a Burgman 650 or a Silverwing for the money.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:55 AM   #34
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No one has mentioned the non-BMW engine. Now that's fascinating.
Define non-BMW, please.

1) Anything not made in the Berlin factory.
2) Something made in a BMW factory that is not the Berlin motorcycle factory.
3) Something designed by BMW, but made to BMW drawings by another German company.
4) Something not designed by BMW but made for them in Germany (i.e. Boxer Getrag gearbox)
5) Something designed by BMW, but made to BMW drawings at a Kymco factory.
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:04 AM   #35
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Define non-BMW, please.

1) Anything not made in the Berlin factory.
2) Something made in a BMW factory that is not the Berlin motorcycle factory.
3) Something designed by BMW, but made to BMW drawings by another German company.
4) Something not designed by BMW but made for them in Germany (i.e. Boxer Getrag gearbox)
5) Something designed by BMW, but made to BMW drawings at a Kymco factory.
Dead on with this. Quality manufacturing is quality manufacturing. Who cares who runs the factory.
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:57 AM   #36
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Dead on with this. Quality manufacturing is quality manufacturing. Who cares who runs the factory.
BMW charges a premium for German quality, which is not quite the same as Chinese quality. I'm glad people like Kymco, but a Chinese scooter with a BMW sticker on it is still a Chinese scooter and not worth twice as much just because it has a German sticker.

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Old 04-08-2013, 09:14 AM   #37
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What about a BMW car made in South Carolina? Worth less then one made in Germany?
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:18 AM   #38
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BMW charges a premium for German quality, which is not quite the same as Chinese quality. I'm glad people like Kymco, but a Chinese scooter with a BMW sticker on it is still a Chinese scooter and not worth twice as much just because it has a German sticker.

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That's not entirely true. The scooters are built to BMW specs, not Kymco specs. Triumph builds its Bonneville line in Asia. So...

And if you think Harley is 100% American made...
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:46 PM   #39
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What about BMW motorcycles with outsourced Rotax engines? That not ok either?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotax#Motorcycle_engines

Good luck finding any product of any kind that doesn't include components that have been outsourced to other companies.
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:03 PM   #40
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I thought Kymco was in Taiwan??
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:43 PM   #41
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Kymco = Taiwan.
Not the same thing as the PRC.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:20 AM   #42
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Dead on with this. Quality manufacturing is quality manufacturing. Who cares who runs the factory.
Sorry, wasn't trolling.
And I agree, quality is quality regardless of source.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:27 PM   #43
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As I said, BMW lost me. I do not buy from corporate stores or dealers. It is no longer the Legendary Motorcycles of Germany.

The end started with Dave Robb. Sorry, not my cup of tea - but they sold bikes, and no, wait, lost market for years.

I do not, however, criticize or care what anyone else chooses to ride - it's your money, your choice, and I hope it serves you well.

And that is all
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:27 PM   #44
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and no, wait, lost market for years.
I am not sure whether your comments refer to the USA only because I live on the other side of the pond.

On this side of the Atlantic - and I suggest in the rest of the world - BMW, Ducati and Triumph are the only ones close to maintaining their sales figures or even growing. So they must be doing something right.

To my European eyes the BMW cruisers looked stunning, but even David Robb admits that BMW did not get that whole deal quite right.
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:17 AM   #45
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BMW by way of Kymco. $10k. You have to be kidding. I own three BMW airheads that I don't have that much money in...
The Suzuki Burgman cost $10,000, and they do not even offer heated grips or a heated seat. Many scooter riders use their scooters year round for daily transportation.

BMW also has their wondeful on the fly adjustable electric windshield.

Better suspension.

I currently have both a 650 Burgman and a 750 Slash 6. Either scooter would "blow it's doors off"
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