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Old 04-23-2013, 11:08 AM   #3976
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:13 PM   #3985
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Just a little reminder to all you 'Dedicated Followers of Fascism' who've been crowing around the internot about it being St Georges day today/Britain for the British etc. - Most historical sources agree the figure we identify as St George was born in Palestine to Greek parents & served in the Roman army under the emperor Diocletion...

What you gonna do? Go right back to an Ice age where the mass of water was tied up in the ice caps and there was a land bridge where we now have the English Channel, and only those with DNA linking directly back to the original Hominid settlers of this shitty little land can have the right to call them selves 'British'?

I believe the colloquial phrase is 'For Fucks Sake'


I should add that fair & informed pride is not to be disallowed, but it must have context...
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:50 PM   #3986
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I'm sorry, I really have had enough, and I just have to say it out loud, tho/ough as I'll be typing it all in one go it may not be entirely coherent, but if you work for it you might get a hint of the picture I'm trying to draw for myself as much as for you. Just try & go with me on this oneÖ It may not scan or make grammatical or sequential sense because Iím just going to type it as it comes out with (almost) no proofing, and a lot of it will be simplistic & obvious. But then maybe thatís the way things are, and Iím just going to vomit it out -

Two and a half centuries ago, before the Land Inclosure Acts we the peeple of the Former United Commonwealth Kingdoms had more rights that we do today. Prior to the mass clearance of plebs from the land into the cities the establishment of the idea of working your whole life just to have a roof over your head was anathema. Under the Open Field System and associated common & customary rights communities generally operated in a co-operative system, deciding together when to plough, when to let animals onto the land, when to rotate crops or lay land fallow etc. And because a family might work land in several locations around the village farm houses tended to be gathered in the village itself rather than spread out on isolated single farms run by Lords, and overall the community lived & worked together in an interdependent way - working 3 or 4 hours of work a day (except at harvest or sowing or lambing times etc.), in a successful & satisfactory form of subsistence farming. Surplus product was exchanged with neighbours for services e.g. with a Miller or Smithy or Medic/Apothecary, and where rent was paid it was paid in a similar manner, via the exchange of produce. After Land Inclosure rent was usually demanded in the form of cash, and farm houses were relocated to the plots of land, further breaking up communities and putting power in the grasping fists of the Gentry. Communal decision making was destroyed and the power fell into the hands of the grandees. Granted, life expectancy was lower due to a failure to understand the cause of disease* i.e. donít shit in the drinking water or ye will gette ye cholera etc., but were we happier?


The systematic destruction of the interdependence of the common people was no accident. This shutting off of common land and the removal of customary rights was no accident. It was, to my mind, done to destroy the power of the plebs. If one were to think of the primary consumable of a household 500 years ago it was likely to be fuel, and the customary rights to gather wood from common land covered this one, so beyond the gathering time, would one have had to work 8+ hours a day 5 days a week just to live. I donít think so. Partly this of course depends on ones impression of what one needs to live. What is the difference between what we need & what we want? The industrial revolution saw the introduction of the 8 Hrs Work, 8 Hrs play, 8 Hrs sleep system Ė the introduction of the 8 hour working day, which we are in a sense taught is how it has always been, but you know damn well it ainít. Should we see it as just another method of not so invisible enslavement? I think so. The purposeful distortion of housing costs to the point where it takes two people two whole lifetimes of work just to secure somewhere to live. The Town & Country Planning Act & the restriction of a persons ability to build their own home. Iím not suggesting we all live in a Soweto or Favela with inadequate sanitary provision, but do we really have to live in what for all intents and purposes is slavery by another name?

I was taught in junior school that a god was watching (in which case he was watching while I was raped by my half brother?) and that I was granted rights under Magna Carta. No one mentioned that this whole thing really only applied to the Barons, and if anything extended their powers over the common people. And this doesnít even begin to cover the atrocities committed in the name of empire for millennia. Now this is a strange one, because itís easy to get stuck in (comparatively) recent history & view Empire and its crimes as a Eurocentric/Western issue, but letís not forget that humankind has always sought to conquer & oppress whatever the race, what ever the nation, whatever the winner or loser. We have lived in the shadow of a period of Western domination, but it doesnít take a lot of digging to see that peoples of all ethnicities have sought to overcome & direct their neighbours or Ďinferiorsí since time immemorial. In the Mesopotamian Empire, The Greek Empire, The Roman & Byzantine Empires, Sassanid Empire Ė in power structures all over the world one group has crushed another. Itís Human nature isnít it?

And so we live thru/ough an era where rights hard won thru/ough the deaths of well over 100 million people in a century of mechanised warfare are being stripped from us. When the mass population demobbed and saw that together it was strong and would no longer doff its cap to the inbred fuckwit in the manor house we had to be given a few things to shut us up. The social improvements of the Victorian era were garnered from the rape of distant conquered peoples, and in any case were only granted because the gentry were forced to see poverty as they travelled to their estates on new rail lines cast thru/ough the slums. But just as the young now donít understand their elders recent up-welling of vitriol at the death of M. Thatcher (Mrs), then current generations also forget why we were given the Ďgiftsí of universal healthcare; of a safety net for those suffering from the variations in employment availability caused by the Monopoly Money Machinations of the Bilderberg Group of the Davos Conferences or other such cabals of the power hungry hyenas; of universal suffrage & the vote**. Let us not forget that the Great War was for all intents & purposes a spat between 3 cousins (The King, The Kaiser & The Tzar) for which a whole generation was decimated, continuing into the 2nd great war. Letís not forget that even today war makes money and this is why it continues. Letís not forget that we are not free, but that we just let them get on with it as long as we get Horse burgers & Cable TVÖ And who do we blame? Most of the proletariat I come into contact with are easily persuaded into blaming each other, or the benefits scroungers***, or immigrants****, or someone other than those actually at fault. Can any of you actually give me a cogent argument as to the source of the current financial Ďresetí?

So what can we do about it? Fuck all. A brief scan of history shows that no true popular revolution (excluding coups & power grabs) has ever succeeded without the trigger of the collapse of the food supply. Additionally, successful revolution requires the existence of a standing proletarian army. The 1905 Russian revolution failed for a number of reasons, but one was the lack of a peoples army. The October revolution succeeded primarily because the people were already gathered together & armed in order to wage the Russian end of the 1st World War , tho/ough this of course was eventually hijacked by Stalin et al. Most people are prepared to be pushed around to hell & back before they break, but as soon as the food supply collapses the game is on. But even taking this into account, it seems the majority are happily prepared to take all the shit thatís doled out to them just for the sake of being left alone, and so the status quo stands. Even if political nirvana were reached, I canít help but think that stoopid humanity would ruin it within minutesÖ

Can we escape? Not really. There is an illusion that one can buy ones way out of the slavery, thru/ough buy to let empires, or the lottery, or thru/ough those great working class escapes of sport or the entertainment industry or some other ejector seat. Is it true to say that the in built implication of the availability of the ĎAmerican Dream' is that if you donít make it then itís your fault? But even if we were able to escape, where is there left to go? In centuries past one could chase the Calvinist dream & steal the lands of the First Peoples of the USA, or you could swarm to South America or Australia or Africa & wipe out or enslave the indigenous populations. But now there is nowhere left to go. Nowhere left that isnít in some way under control & restricted. Can we emigrate across the stars to escape control into fulfilling freedom?, well not for a couple of centuries at least, and even then only the 'best' will be allowed passage, along with those to serve themÖ

So donít look to me for answers. Iím all out. I canít see a way forward, I canít see a solution. All I have is simplistic rambling that raises more questions than it answers. I can only sit here & wait for deaths release. But then maybe I wonít wait.



* Are not most religions simply handbooks to healthier living e.g. Donít each that, it makes you ill, donít steal or youíll get your ass beat etc., and who even knows how to covet an Ox?

** Letís not forget that the Greek democracy on which we are told our society is based was available to perhaps 200 men?; and that centuries later it is said half of those who died in the First World War didnít have the vote; and that it took until 1928 for Women to be given the vote; and that equality is reserved for those few in the first world who have been given it to shut them up; and most of all letís not forget that if Ďdemocracyí worked it wouldnít be allowed.

*** Info I see tells me around 50% of the benefits bill goes on Old Age Pensions.

**** Weíre all bloody immigrants, and Daily mail style scare stories massively distort the numbers & percentages of incomers, and blow up isolated cases to incite hate to divide usÖ
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