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Old 05-04-2013, 11:35 PM   #16
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Another thing to consider in terms of cost of ownership is frequency of tire replacement. After talking to quiet a few liter bike owners it caught me by surprise that they need new tires every 3k miles or so. Vstrom owners can get 8k out of tires. Not sure if fz8 would be closer to a vstrom or a liter bike, but it might be worth looking into if you plan to put a lot of miles on this bike.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:45 PM   #17
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:12 AM   #18
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Another thing to consider in terms of cost of ownership is frequency of tire replacement. After talking to quiet a few liter bike owners it caught me by surprise that they need new tires every 3k miles or so. Vstrom owners can get 8k out of tires. Not sure if fz8 would be closer to a vstrom or a liter bike, but it might be worth looking into if you plan to put a lot of miles on this bike.
There's FAR too many variables to consider to make such blanket statements about tire life. Were those owners using something like Pilot Road 2's or something like Pilot Powers? Sure, a heavier, higher horsepower bike will probably go through tires a quicker, but if you can't get more than 3K miles out of a quality set of ST rubber, you probably need to keep it on the track or talk to your city about your local roads.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:19 AM   #19
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I would like to make one other suggestion that wasn't on your list: Bandit 1200 or 1250. If you are looking for more engine, the bandit should be on your list. I love the old FZ1 but the new ones, meh. I sat on a Ninja 1000 at the dealer and it was sweet as far as comfort goes. From the reviews I've read, it's a great bike. I honestly haven't ridden any of the bikes on your list but I have been searching for a next bike and the Bandit fits right in with the bikes you are considering.






+1 on this
the GSX1250A is a lot of bike, especially for the money. New 2012's are still available at really good prices.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:32 AM   #20
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Another thing to consider in terms of cost of ownership is frequency of tire replacement. After talking to quiet a few liter bike owners it caught me by surprise that they need new tires every 3k miles or so. Vstrom owners can get 8k out of tires. Not sure if fz8 would be closer to a vstrom or a liter bike, but it might be worth looking into if you plan to put a lot of miles on this bike.
If the run on sports tiers and drive very aggresive you need new tiers after 3K mils, even on a vstrom.
Putt ST tiers on a liter bike and drive litle less aggresiv and youl easly get 6-7K miles.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:56 AM   #21
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Thanks for the advice on the FZ8, I'll definitely strongly consider it when the time comes. Anyone know if there is a huge difference between the '13 model and the '11-'12s? I know they added adjustability to the suspension, but is it really worth the difference in cost? Locally there is a shop selling a new '11 for 7500 and a new '13 for 8890. Not sure if I want to pay 1400 more for just added adjustability in the suspension when I'll likely not be outriding the stock suspension on the street anyways . . .

As far as insurance cost for the ninja I've already done a ton of research on this and found that through state farm I can get the same rate on the ninja as I would on the Z and only a little more than the FZ8, so thats really a non-issue for me. Also I don't plan on changing much of any new bike I get other than maybe slip on exhaust, as all stock exhausts these days are so damn ugly and heavy.
For *that* much of a difference, go with the leftover stock. The new suspension is nice as is some of the ECU tweaking, but not $1400 nicer. You can get a mid-grade Ohlin's setup for that much, or a race quality Ohlin's rear and still have change for a fork revavle. And I will also agree that the stock suspension -- while soft -- is fine for everday stuff. Depending on your abilities you might push it during harder riding or if you load heavy for touring. But, heck, I know you can slap an FZ1 fork or shock (or both; I forget which) right in without modifications. And they're pretty inexpensive used.

Oh, and +1 on State Farm with the Ninja. I switched over to them when Progressive wanted $2300/yr from me for the Ninja but only $600 for the FZ1 or Bandit. Now I'm paying less for EVERYTHING with State Farm.

I'll also echo nbsdave and bogey78 to have you at least take a look at the Bandit. If you're more on the sport side of the sport touring aspect, it probably won't fit your needs, but by far it's one of the better touring oriented modern sport standards. Most reviews chastise it with being heavy, underpowered, and generally a bad value when compared to the FZ1 or Ninja new. But these are reviewers who often emphasize sport over touring. It still puts out plenty of power and does so rather nicely. Leftover new stock and a very large aftermarket segment kinda bump it back into contention. Also best in terms of comfort and gas mileage out of the gate. At minimum you'll need a new seat on the FZ's or the Ninja if you plan on doing any longish rides.

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Another thing to consider in terms of cost of ownership is frequency of tire replacement. After talking to quiet a few liter bike owners it caught me by surprise that they need new tires every 3k miles or so. Vstrom owners can get 8k out of tires. Not sure if fz8 would be closer to a vstrom or a liter bike, but it might be worth looking into if you plan to put a lot of miles on this bike.
Tire life is something to consider in TCO (which I did -- I made this spreadsheet comparing maintenance, fuel prices, insurance, tires, inflation, and incidentals into TCO), but displacement of the engine only really comes into play if you're wringing the bike out. They're probably also running really soft sport or hypersport tires. Not to mention the huge amount of variables that opmike mentioned: rider weight, load, curve:straight distribution, road condition, tire design, tire compound, etc. The stock Battleaxe BT06 (OEM version) on the Ninja saw me around 5500 miles -- 2/3 of those straight interstate/street -- before I got tired of the low profile and switched to an Angel ST. They still had 1-2000 miles left at that rate before I hit the tread wear indicators. But at the same time I wasn't packing 100lbs of cargo, running underinflated for extra grip, or reguarly seeing how quick I could hit triple digits. Assuming the current wear rate on my Angel ST remains constant, I imagine getting 8-10,000 miles at least out of the rear and will probably replace the front due to age before it wears out.
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:10 AM   #22
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Late to the thread, but I just picked up an '11 FZ8 the other day with ~500 miles on it for $6500. Keeping the Versys for various reasons as well. Looked at the Z1000, FZ1, Ninja1000, GSX1250FA.

Ultimately decided that that Suzuki was too heavy, although very comfortable.

Decided against the others mainly because I didn't want a 140HP+ bike. Yes, I know I can moderate that with my right wrist, but I just have no use for that kind of performance.

I've run 3 tanks of gas through the FZ8 over the weekend and to compare it to the Versys:
-less wind protection, but although very obvious on the first ride, this has become less noticeable
-less motor at the bottom, mid is similar, top is greater by a good amount. Things start happening a lot more quickly above about 6500rpm.
-Slightly more cramped. I'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam. Often have to stand on a peg to get on the Versys, not on the FZ8
-more planted at speed
-I have not noticed the problems with the shock that some have described elsewhere, but probably because I don't ride at the level where I'd notice that

I bought this to have a second bike that I could ride with my son. Didn't want something with a hugely different purpose, but not an almost identical bike. So far, this is fitting the bill quite nicely. I suppose more compare/contrast items will become apparent after getting back on the Versys for a while.

And from where I sit, the FZ8 is probably one of the nicest looking bikes in production.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:19 AM   #23
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Old 05-29-2013, 07:14 AM   #24
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I was in your exact same situation until a month or so ago.

I bought a brand new 08 Versys when they first came out. Loved the bike. Was mostly a commuter but I did set it for touring as well with taller Givi windscreen and Givi/Coocase luggage, heated grips, GPS, etc. 52 mpg, could run on regular and light enough to be maneuverable around town but could carry its own on the highway. It was my first road bike since the 80s and I bought it because it was inexpensive, light and was marketed somewhat as a dual sport - which it really isn't - but helped me sell it to my wife. Sold it last fall. Knew I wanted something with a little more oomph but no clue as to what I would get next. Gave myself the winter to decide and find.

Instead of a process of selection it was more of a process of elimination.

Ruled out ADV bikes (but really liked the Tiger XC, what a sexy on/off road machine). Decided I'd rather have a fully purposed road bike than partially purposed combo bike. I have off road bikes already and I can ride a street bike on gravel if I have to.

Narrowed it down to a sport tourer. Looked at the 1200 RT and ST, FJR, Honda ST and any other bike that fit in this category. Decided against them due to their weight and partially because of the expense.

Which left a group of sport bikes that could be easily and cheaply modded into a sport tourer. I knew I wanted more CCs than the 650 Versys (although, to be honest, the 57 horsies in the V were more than adequate most of the time). I put my focus on liter size bikes.

Not to bore you with the details I looked at EVERYTHING I could in this market to the point where it became a blur. FOR ME, my priorities were low cost of entry, low depreciation loss, high reliability, low maintenance, ease of access to parts and support, low weight and inexpensive to operate.

This ruled out most of the Euro bikes. To me, the E bikes have a soul and most are super sexy but just didn't have some of the priorities I was looking for. So...my search centered on Jap bikes and eventually the FZ1.

The FZ1 is a "dime a dozen" bike but I felt you get more for your money with it (way more in some cases) than a lot of the other bikes out there. It has more power than you will likely ever use. It will break the speed limit in 1st gear and you can run it at low speed in high gear.

I looked for months all over the western US hoping to find a newer Gen 2 that was farkled for more of a sport touring set up. I didn't care so much about engine mods (it has 150 hp to start with after all!) but was interested in a taller screen, luggage, fender elim, after market blinkers, etc., a 2008 or 09 model, under 10K miles and in the $6,000-6,500 price range.

I found an 09 set up similarly to this but it was in the middle of winter and I didn't want to transport it then and couldn't get the guy down to the price range.

About two months ago I spotted a 2010 model, 1800 miles, original owner, bone stock and within driving distance. I was able to get it for $6,500.

I'm slowly making it mine. Added a Zero Gravity wind screen, found a set of used Give side cases on CL, will add the SW Motech racks, changing the bar/riser setup to something a little taller with less sweep (maybe even the FZ8 setup). Will add grip heaters and wire it for a GPS. The bike got 37 mpg my first tank but has been steadily rising every fill up by almost 1 mpg (I'm at 42 now). One of the forums mentioned this was common during break in and that I should arrive in the 43-45 mpg. Not anywhere near the V's 53 but it is a liter bike after all.

The bike has been great to ride so far. I commute on it almost every day and am setting it up for a couple distance tours this summer. There are other bikes in this category that would no doubt work for you...the problem for me was that there were almost TOO many (I like them all) which made the selection process almost overwhelming. But, I got through it, and am stoked about the FZ1.

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Old 05-29-2013, 10:10 AM   #25
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Too bad our neigbours to the south don't have Fazer 8's in their showrooms. It really is an awesome machine and I am currently looking carefully into it.



http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/...oup=M|&LANG=en

Can be had for a decent price and some leftovers are available from previous years. It checks a lot of boxes for me (including some pretty good wind protection).
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:47 AM   #26
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I was in your exact same situation until a month or so ago.

I bought a brand new 08 Versys when they first came out. Loved the bike. Was mostly a commuter but I did set it for touring as well with taller Givi windscreen and Givi/Coocase luggage, heated grips, GPS, etc. 52 mpg, could run on regular and light enough to be maneuverable around town but could carry its own on the highway. It was my first road bike since the 80s and I bought it because it was inexpensive, light and was marketed somewhat as a dual sport - which it really isn't - but helped me sell it to my wife. Sold it last fall. Knew I wanted something with a little more oomph but no clue as to what I would get next. Gave myself the winter to decide and find.

Instead of a process of selection it was more of a process of elimination.

Ruled out ADV bikes (but really liked the Tiger XC, what a sexy on/off road machine). Decided I'd rather have a fully purposed road bike than partially purposed combo bike. I have off road bikes already and I can ride a street bike on gravel if I have to.

Narrowed it down to a sport tourer. Looked at the 1200 RT and ST, FJR, Honda ST and any other bike that fit in this category. Decided against them due to their weight and partially because of the expense.

Which left a group of sport bikes that could be easily and cheaply modded into a sport tourer. I knew I wanted more CCs than the 650 Versys (although, to be honest, the 57 horsies in the V were more than adequate most of the time). I put my focus on liter size bikes.

Not to bore you with the details I looked at EVERYTHING I could in this market to the point where it became a blur. FOR ME, my priorities were low cost of entry, low depreciation loss, high reliability, low maintenance, ease of access to parts and support, low weight and inexpensive to operate.

This ruled out most of the Euro bikes. To me, the E bikes have a soul and most are super sexy but just didn't have some of the priorities I was looking for. So...my search centered on Jap bikes and eventually the FZ1.

The FZ1 is a "dime a dozen" bike but I felt you get more for your money with it (way more in some cases) than a lot of the other bikes out there. It has more power than you will likely ever use. It will break the speed limit in 1st gear and you can run it at low speed in high gear.

I looked for months all over the western US hoping to find a newer Gen 2 that was farkled for more of a sport touring set up. I didn't care so much about engine mods (it has 150 hp to start with after all!) but was interested in a taller screen, luggage, fender elim, after market blinkers, etc., a 2008 or 09 model, under 10K miles and in the $6,000-6,500 price range.

I found an 09 set up similarly to this but it was in the middle of winter and I didn't want to transport it then and couldn't get the guy down to the price range.

About two months ago I spotted a 2010 model, 1800 miles, original owner, bone stock and within driving distance. I was able to get it for $6,500.

I'm slowly making it mine. Added a Zero Gravity wind screen, found a set of used Give side cases on CL, will add the SW Motech racks, changing the bar/riser setup to something a little taller with less sweep (maybe even the FZ8 setup). Will add grip heaters and wire it for a GPS. The bike got 37 mpg my first tank but has been steadily rising every fill up by almost 1 mpg (I'm at 42 now). One of the forums mentioned this was common during break in and that I should arrive in the 43-45 mpg. Not anywhere near the V's 53 but it is a liter bike after all.

The bike has been great to ride so far. I commute on it almost every day and am setting it up for a couple distance tours this summer. There are other bikes in this category that would no doubt work for you...the problem for me was that there were almost TOO many (I like them all) which made the selection process almost overwhelming. But, I got through it, and am stoked about the FZ1.

Good luck!
Did you look at the GSX1250FA?
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:33 PM   #27
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Did you look at the GSX1250FA?
I did but only briefly. Like I mentioned before, my process was more about a "process of elimination" vs one of "selection."

I "de-selected" the Suzuki because it outweighed the FZ1 and was 30 or so ponies less and because they were more expensive (the FZ1's common-ness drives the price down...supply vs demand).

Other than those factors (which are relatively minor and not important to some) I like the Suzuki. It is the style I was looking for - the lower fairing is especially cool IMO.

Here's a decent comparative article:

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/232/11...omparison.aspx
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:38 PM   #28
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Yeah, it's a bigger and more expensive bike, so that makes sense. Thanks for the link.
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Nobody has mentioned the Versys 1000? Or did I miss it?
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Too bad our neigbours to the south don't have Fazer 8's in their showrooms. It really is an awesome machine and I am currently looking carefully into it.



http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/...oup=M|&LANG=en

Can be had for a decent price and some leftovers are available from previous years. It checks a lot of boxes for me (including some pretty good wind protection).
They are very nice indeed. ABS? My next bike has to have it. That would sure work for me......I'm in Ontario.
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