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Old 05-06-2013, 12:13 AM   #16
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...about the navigation:

The road book is perfect but because of the demanding off road routes and paths, a good rider in navigation, will earn time on them.
It is not so simple, you can't lost the way, but YES, you HAD TO navigate!
It is in the game!
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:04 AM   #17
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Now that memories of the Hellas Rally are fading, I'm starting to plan the next event. Having originally ignored the Serres - racing in Greece in the summer! - I'm now reconsidering and have a couple of questions for anyone who has taken part in this rally before:

How technical is the riding? While the scenery at the Hellas was stunning, the tracks were generally fairly easy to ride. As I prefer the challenge of enduro- like terrain, will the Serres be any different?

How demanding is the navigation?

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Having raced both events twice, my thoughts:

Serres is much more demanding in navigation. Hellas was a follow main road affair most of the time, and the wide, more suitable for cars tracks were sometimes too fast for my own liking (and safety)

- as dimitris says, Serres routes included some more technical riding, on two days the long specials ended with single track (only for bikes) riding. In my opinion you could really lose valuable time in these sections if you were not 100% focused. I didn't particularly like that they were placed at the end of long days where exhaustion was a factor, but it did make you want to pace yourself

- Specials in Hellas were riddled with speed limit zones, and the longest special was 114kms. I counted 10 bloody speed limjt zones in one special one day, which turned Specials into timed sprints for me. Pacing myself and trying to conserve energy was never a part of my race plan in Hellas, it felt more like balls to the wall riding, also because the navigation was simplistic. You need a different tactic for Serres, where one day is a Marathon special of 270kms with one neutralised refuelling of 15 minutes (day 3 I think) and 3 specials totalling 260 kms on day 4. I may be wrong here, but I remember very few speed limit zones in those specials, and riding cross country special test speeds was not a smart tactic. Many faster riders than me would either fuck up their navigation or constantly overshoot turns, sometimes crashing. By pacing myself and conserving the bike, I managed to achieve a fantastic result for my level of riding.

Overall, the Hare and the tortoise fable is a fitting comparison between the two. Not that Serres didn't have fast open sections, but there was more variety and the riding was more enjoyable to riders with a bit of an enduro background. Add trickier navigation, and you get the picture

Regardless, I think it is great that these two events have significant differences, I would gladly race both of them again. Hellas rally is a race where routes are written by car drivers, Serres is written by a motorcycle racer and therein lie the differences.

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Old 05-08-2013, 01:16 AM   #18
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Angelo, would you say that Serres is more "navigation enduro" than rally? I enjoyed the terrain on the Hellas (apart from the very loose ground switchbacks) but I don't fancy "enduro" type specials of 260k's
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:07 AM   #19
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Mike, I would definitely say it's still a rally route, just a bit more "spiced" up.

I'll try and find an onboard filmed by the sweeper bikes last year (I had posted it in the Rally Moto UK forum, it gives a pretty good idea of the terrain)

found it:

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Old 05-08-2013, 10:40 AM   #20
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Cheers that's great

I'll put the call in to the boys and let's see if we can get there
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:28 PM   #21
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:35 AM   #22
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Or any other local expert; what tyres are you using for the Serres? Michelin enduro tyres worked ok at the Hellas, but they certainly wore quickly (even at my sedate pace!)

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Old 05-10-2013, 07:44 AM   #23
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Hi Guys, Just a Reminder that we are offering a Service team for this event. Please contact us if you would like to know more :-)

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Old 05-10-2013, 10:28 AM   #24
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Angelo

Or any other local expert; what tyres are you using for the Serres? Michelin enduro tyres worked ok at the Hellas, but they certainly wore quickly (even at my sedate pace!)

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Hey Graham, I used up two michelin enduro softs (you could get away with one hard) in front for the whole race, and 3 AC10s (130 width) in the rear. Any rear with a mid-hard compound should be fine, you will use up 2 or 3. I'm not too fond of enduro spec rears, I find they deteriorate too much after a 300km day to be of any use on the next one...

Serres tracks have more dirt riding than gravel and stone, even a sandy special of 90kms in a forest
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:03 PM   #25
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Angelo

Or any other local expert; what tyres are you using for the Serres? Michelin enduro tyres worked ok at the Hellas, but they certainly wore quickly (even at my sedate pace!)

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Rear: AC10 or Starcross MH are perfect
Front: enduro competition VI or star cross MH, MS are OK

NOT enduro comp for rear, not cross comp!!!
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:08 PM   #26
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There will be Michelin tire service and shop at Serres Rally.
You can preorder your tires and mousses
A brand new pair of bin mousses are ok for a small bike, but for sure keep a 2nd rear for the last days...
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Question has been PM'd to you.

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There will be Michelin tire service and shop at Serres Rally.
You can preorder your tires and mousses
A brand new pair of bin mousses are ok for a small bike, but for sure keep a 2nd rear for the last days...
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:17 AM   #28
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Hello Cadman,

I ran the Serres last year and will be back in 2014 to make a better job of it I hope!

Terrain is varied. I would put the event smack bang in the middle between fast desert rally and slow national enduro.

Here is a link for a short you tube photo montage from last year. You can get an idea of the terrain from that.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=4AgbCupraLk

Also, if you search you tube for the Serres 2012 event you will find a lot of footage from when the guys per-ran and finalised the course. Very useful.

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Old 05-11-2013, 07:00 AM   #29
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Rear: AC10 or Starcross MH are perfect
Front: enduro competition VI or star cross MH, MS are OK

NOT enduro comp for rear, not cross comp!!!
Dimitri,

For the larger bikes >150kg are these still ok or we have to go with something else?
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