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Old 05-11-2013, 05:36 AM   #15241
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MikeMike, registration is in full swing for the BMW rally in your town

From what I'm told by Big Jim here locally, looks like a split deal with some activities/hotel stop in Tuxpan

I haven't taken a look at the itinerary but it would be interesting to see what they offer for ride destinations from the Veracruz (state) banquet table.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:48 AM   #15242
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I'm not sure I understand your question about whether I think "everybody in Mexico wants" me.

It appears to me that many gringos here think everybody in Mexico is going to be aiming at them because they are special
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We are special!!! We are "outsiders" that travel and enjoy the many attributes that Mexico has to offer. We get stared at a lot, we sometimes get Gringo prices, and sometimes we are targeted by unscrupulous folks! That is a small price to pay for the enjoyment we get from visiting Mexico. Of course, my house is for sale and I will moving to and living in Mexico when I am not traveling in other parts of the world. I guess I won't be a visitor or an "outsider" and more! Will I still be special?
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:08 AM   #15243
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MikeMike, registration is in full swing for the BMW rally in your town

From what I'm told by Big Jim here locally, looks like a split deal with some activities/hotel stop in Tuxpan

I haven't taken a look at the itinerary but it would be interesting to see what they offer for ride destinations from the Veracruz (state) banquet table.
They are offering...not much. I have no idea why they insist upon the same lame and boring rides. It is going to be split between Tajin and Boca Del Rio. Same old same old and nothing of interest. They could have headquarted the thing in Cordoba and put it right smack in the middle of excellent riding. I offered tohelp them with routing, though I and about half the former members don't belong to the Veracruz chapter anymore. Even the route to Tajin is lame. I sure as hell will be saving my money and anyone who comes and wants to see what is really here, I will offer to guide them on sny ride they want. There is one good coastal route here and that is south to Catemaco via Monte Pio. There are more than 20 good mountain rides here that match or surpass the Jimmy ride. Probably fewer than 5 of the local club members have been on these rides or even know they exist. That pretty much sums things up. It frustrates me to no end when they insist upon trotting out the same tired old crappy rides when I have time and time again posted pictures and routing that really shows the magic that is here.
Honestly, it could give a guy Tourette's when they plan rides that have you looking at the back of a semi instead of a landscape at 10,000ft. Anyone who attends that rally and thinks they have ridden Veracruz is fooling themselves. A rubber chicken or fish dinner, some folkloric dancing, and boring introductions while having ridden the lamest roads is not my idea of fun.
There, wow, do I suddenly feel so much better!
I am also not alone in my opinion.
If they ever do a ride worth mentioning, I will let you know. Meanwhile, people are going to come away with the usual piss poor idea of what the state has to offer.
That is a real shame!
You guys could plan a better ride and you don't even live here. I think you get the picture.
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:21 AM   #15244
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Honestly, it could give a guy Tourette's when they plan rides that have you looking at the back of a semi instead of a landscape at 10,000ft.

Funny!

I stumbled on Tuxpan a few years ago and thought it was just a really lovely nautical city, the kind of place that I will return to some day. But that's part of that equation where some people don't appreciate ships and such - I'd run into that all the time in Florida. Some people just love that ride down to Key West and others think it's boring as hell, what with all the water and history and such.
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:28 AM   #15245
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Anyone who attends that rally and thinks they have ridden Veracruz is fooling themselves. A rubber chicken or fish dinner, some folkloric dancing, and boring introductions while having ridden the lamest roads is not my idea of fun.
Be glad it's that way

You wouldn't want hundreds of rally bikes stomping the best bits anyway

I'm glad for the rally injecting some $$$ in the local economy, but that's about it
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:54 AM   #15246
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Funny!

I stumbled on Tuxpan a few years ago and thought it was just a really lovely nautical city, the kind of place that I will return to some day. But that's part of that equation where some people don't appreciate ships and such - I'd run into that all the time in Florida. Some people just love that ride down to Key West and others think it's boring as hell, what with all the water and history and such.
The history on the coast is interesting but they won't be going there. As far as I know they have no event planned in La Villa Rica de la Veracruz where you can walk to the spot on the beach where Cortes ordered a few of the ships dismantled and/or burned. Nor a ride up to the lookout from the Totonac cemetery where the locals first saw Cortes arrive. Nor will they visit La Antigua which was the first municipality in North America.

They won't be taking the coastal backroute through the Volcan de San Martin biosphere forest.

Will they be taking you to a geothermal field at over 9,000ft where electricity is produced? Or maybe to one of the least known yet historically significant set of ruins that was the epicenter of the "ball game" in meso-America? Nope. Uu uh.

How about a ride to the town where the H1N1 flu virus supposedly began and where a little boy, patient zero, was located? No.

The Zongolica?! No.
Rio Blanco and the significant site of labor unrest in the early 20th century? The buildings are still there. Nope, no ride for you!

This is simply the tip of the iceberg.

How about the back road to Perote from Xalapa that has just been recently paved to a very high standard and is, in short, "chingon"? Nope.

We have not even started to mention the area that Arte and Andres call "Greenland" and the newly paved route from the Actopan junction to Alta Lucero.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:14 AM   #15247
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Be glad it's that way

You wouldn't want hundreds of rally bikes stomping the best bits anyway

I'm glad for the rally injecting some $$$ in the local economy, but that's about it
Yes, Trice, but the truth is the money into the local economy is largely a myth. The Hotel is a chain hotel owned locally by a very wealthy family.
Tajin will benefit, but they already have a much larger event there every year.
Accessories will be sold by the local dealer who now refuses to let their staff even touch a part that was bought some place else other than the dealership. It is their "policy". Other accessories will be sold by outside vendors coming in from Puebla or Mexico City.
Not much is going to filter down to the local "Mom and Pop" businesses.

You could take that $3,000 peso inscription and use it for 3 nights at a local hotel at a preferred rate, plus have money left over to cover all your food and bar tab. I don't think the $3,000 peso entry gets you much more than a banquet or two and some trinkets in a grab bag.

To me, it is a damn shame that the state of Veracruz, with so much to offer in very, very good riding, ends up with this sort of event.

I would guess that well over half of the attendees have already visited Tajin, have ridden the coast highway, and have stayed at a Fiesta Americana hotel. The beach behind the Fiesta American here is one of the most polluted on the coast and if you wade out you'll find enough sea urchins to convince you to wear an old pair of tennis shoes or reef shoes. I would also guess that fewer than maybe 3% of the attendees could even find some of the routes we ride here regularly, on a decent map. And that would be a guess that errs on the generous side.

If you really want to see an event that puts money directly into the local economy, take a long hard look at the La Esperanza Rally Ruta del Cafe of Andres and Arte. This year they have it planned at a local hotel that you know, a good spot on a really clean and remote beach, a real coastal Veracruz experience. Good food purchased and prepared locally and not according to a chain hotel menu. The money goes to a terrific local cause with a clearly visible benefit to the community that will be felt, literally, for generations.
Now THAT is the kind of event that is my plate of mole and cup of tea...ok...coffee!
Seriously, anyone from Texas who wants to come south and visit Veracruz should skip the national BMW rally and attend the Rally Ruta del Cafe. They don't have to do the off road part, there is more than enough very, very good riding like the route up the Misantla highway from Vega del Atorre via Colipa and El Nueve that Schizz and Donnie did with me to Naolinco, or Plan de las Hayas to Alto Lucero to Naolinco or Actopan. It is also a very easy and close ride to the great and challenging route up from Tlapacoyan to either Teziutlan or Altotonga (or both!).

If you really want to see your money go straight into local businesses and a very good local cause, skip the national BMW rally and attend the Rally Ruta del Cafe.
Now THAT'S Veracruz!
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The Rally Ruta del Cafe deserves a good plug, because it was planned and developed and a success (last year was the first annual and it was a really fun event, an old school "run what ya brung and hope ya brung enough" happening. The local ladies preparing good, fresh, delicious local food for breakfast and lunch, all you can eat (and you can eat a lot from the kitchens in La Esperanza, trust me!), a post-event bar set up on the main street complete with blenders whirring away and coolers of ice cold beer. The absolute best coffee you will ever have the pleasure to experience. With an ambiance of fun, families out for a good time, kids, dogs, chickens, goats, even a camel in a field. Now that is a rally.
Listening to people BS about how much they spent on their last farkle, or if and when Gucci will offer panniers is not for me.
Swapping jokes with a good bunch of guys from Tamaulipas, sharing ride plans and bench racing and laughing and having a good time, to me, is what motorcycling is all about.
More Mondo Enduro than a Placio del Hierro catalog.

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Old 05-11-2013, 07:24 AM   #15248
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In about 5 weeks I'll be injecting my $$$ into the local economy of the high Sierra between Durango and Mazatlán.

Oh, wait, there's nothing there but forest and trails
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:33 AM   #15249
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In about 5 weeks I'll be injecting my $$$ into the local economy of the high Sierra between Durango and Mazatlán.

Oh, wait, there's nothing there but forest and trails
We haven't had that spirit here for a long, long time.

Some of us have been riding the routes here that beg to be ridden, that Durango shindig is exactly what I am talking about when it comes to how much fun you can have outside a planned, packaged, big box, national rally.

Tell your buddy Jim to come down and do the La Esperanza deal and bring some friends. I can give them routing that will keep them happy and busy if they prefer to ride by themselves, or I'll show them if they want.

Dammit, Trice! You got me a riled up and it's Saturday and I have to work!
Argggghhhh!

Seriously, spread the word up there in the Rio Gringolandia Valley and tell people to head down for a better event, and that is the Rally Ruta del Cafe.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:50 AM   #15250
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Listening to people BS about how much they spent on their last farkle, or if and when Gucci will offer panniers is not for me.
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I have been kicking around buying a Triumph Explorer and slapping BMW stickers on it. You may have pushed me in that direction.

Your comments about Cortez and the flu origin are right up my alley. Interesting stuff.

Recently I ran across a listing of the RV campgrounds along the Costa Esmerelda. There were once a ton of them, but of the few Mexican RV parks that I have a little experience with I could tell that the list was sadly outdated. With that said I can see an exploratory ride in my future to check out a bunch of RV parks in that area and then make some decisions about moving a travel trailer down there in a few years.

One issue is that there simply doesn't seem to be electrical power available at Mexican parks for all the accessories and air conditioning that gringos insist on and I am trying to find a workaround.

Mike (or anyone else), if you know anything about RVs and Mexican electrical stuff I'd be interested in getting some input.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:53 AM   #15251
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Tell your buddy Jim to come down and do the La Esperanza deal and bring some friends. I can give them routing that will keep them happy and busy if they prefer to ride by themselves, or I'll show them if they want.
Big Jim is a rally guy and loves everything about them.

At his biker breakfast, he was wearing his shirt from last's year's event in Uruapan.

I believe his wife is flying into Veracruz to join him.

Everybody's favorite flavor or color is often different.
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Is the Rally Ruta del Cafe an Arte and Andres production?

Is there a schedule for this year's event, or a website, or is it all just informal?
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Old 05-11-2013, 08:00 AM   #15253
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I have been kicking around buying a Triumph Explorer and slapping BMW stickers on it. You may have pushed me in that direction.

Your comments about Cortez and the flu origin are right up my alley. Interesting stuff.

Recently I ran across a listing of the RV campgrounds along the Costa Esmerelda. There were once a ton of them, but of the few Mexican RV parks that I have a little experience with I could tell that the list was sadly outdated. With that said I can see an exploratory ride in my future to check out a bunch of RV parks in that area and then make some decisions about moving a travel trailer down there in a few years.

One issue is that there simply doesn't seem to be electrical power available at Mexican parks for all the accessories and air conditioning that gringos insist on and I am trying to find a workaround.

Mike (or anyone else), if you know anything about RVs and Mexican electrical stuff I'd be interested in getting some input.

Campgrounds died out due to development of land and the years of bad image that the state has suffered with the narco violence idea being punted around by RV people. RV people are a different breed of tourist but sadly, some regions of Mexico have not learned how to bring them in.
There are very few Mexican RV people, they are 99% gringo. No local market means tough times in some areas.

Electricity in Mexico is sold at a price depending on how the area is designated. There is no one set fee for electricity. Our home bill is literally 20 times more expensive than my wife's office practice bill. It is insane, but that is the way it is. If you live in a normal suburb, you subsidize the electrical bills of other people. End of story. You have to have the CFE (federal electrical commission) put a meter on the connection and they bill you. Don't expect stellar service unless you happen to have a $1,000 pesos or so you can slide to the guy who is going to do the hook up.
And that is the cheap end. A lot of people run an illegal wire connection and you can see posts with about 100 of these taps hooked in.

You'll always find a place to park an RV, but it might not always be what you want or have thought of.
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Old 05-11-2013, 08:04 AM   #15254
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Big Jim is a rally guy and loves everything about them.
Tell him to come down and I'll buy him a real rally shirt that he can be proud to wear that says "La Esperanza" on it.

If he thinks he's going to like the route the locals have prepared for the national rally, he is going to move here and be in total nirvana the first time he rides the "Sierra Secreta" route (you guys don't know this one)! Once he gets a taste of the "Jimmy ride" with the Dave's Leg and da Bum's rush extensions, he'll be walking around in tight circles and chanting!
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Not going to happen because rallys are his thing
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