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Old 05-19-2013, 08:43 AM   #196
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That is a great collection of machines. I'm sure that I am not the only one here that would love to see you start a thread to give us some comparisons on all of them. I know it would take hours of writing to even scratch the surface of a collection like that but maybe someday when you get the time you could enlighten us.
Please- would love to see some pictures of all those lined up. Impressive! Where do you get the time to ride them all?
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:21 AM   #197
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Please- would love to see some pictures of all those lined up. Impressive! Where do you get the time to ride them all?
Yea, we need pics of this stable.
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:51 AM   #198
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yea, we need pics of this stable.
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:53 AM   #199
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Don't worry, you will change your mind again in a couple of days.
Why would it take me that long?

Hey, I'm no match for some of the other guys in this thread! The difference is I sell and buy scoots. Some of these guys ONLY buy!
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:48 AM   #200
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$50 fix.
Dr Pulley sliders.

I'd forget about the Forza if I had the Majesty.
I will have to look into this mod. My Majesty is an 05 and was purchased used last year with 10K on the clock. It is very well maintained and never seen rain. When I picked it up it shined better then new. Only fault I discovered was the hanging clutch. It seems to take a long time to fully grab and does not seem to completely grab until the 15 or 20 MPH mark. Once it does it moves with authority but until then you are asking for a BMW Enema.

Also with my wife on the back climbing a very steep driveway at my folks house it almost did not make it. It did but the clutch was slipping like mad.

I heard the 05's had weak clutches but I believe they all do stock anyway.

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That is a great collection of machines. I'm sure that I am not the only one here that would love to see you start a thread to give us some comparisons on all of them. I know it would take hours of writing to even scratch the surface of a collection like that but maybe someday when you get the time you could enlighten us.
In addition to all the scooters I also have an 06 Kawasaki Concours, 06 Kawasaki Ninja 500, 09 Kawasaki KLX250S, 05 KLR650 plus an 03 SV1000S and an the naked version an 03 SV1000N.

I am not done yet as I am trying to locate a Zuma 125. Dealer friend had a leftover 2011 for $2,599 plus T&L but he sold it before I had a chance to buy it. Been trying to locate one used but so far no luck. Its not a high priority so I can wait.

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Please- would love to see some pictures of all those lined up. Impressive! Where do you get the time to ride them all?
The truth is I don't seem to have time to ride them all. Especially in rainy Seattle. Most were purchased used and I took advantage of the weak economy and got some screaming deals on them. For example my 04 Silverwing only had 1,500 miles when I bought it but was clean and well maintained with all sorts of records in the book. It was owned by a Boeing engineer who was fascinated with maintaining it but never road it. Only flaw is it got attacked by some garden tools stored above it so it needed a new windshield and lots of buffing and a respray in a spot. My price was $1,800.

My SH150i was owned by a commuter and had 3K hard miles and had been dropped plus it was very dirty and appeared to have some corrosion on it perhaps from Salt covered roads. I got that one for $1,200. Seems to run fine. After cleaning it up and neutralizing whatever salt may be on it plus so very careful paint work it looks very good now.

In total I have 13 bikes witch is double what I really want. I have plans to get rid of some and get newer ones but for what mine are worth and what the new bikes cost its not easy. I do most of my own work on them so that saves a lot of money and since not a single bike gets ridden to death they never seem to have serious issues.

I would to pull them all out of the garage and get a big fat picture but I live in a condo complex and that is not easy plus all the neighbors look and gawk. Its bad enough when I have to pull some out to get a bike in the back of the garage I want to ride. However in the coming days I will try and get a picture of them squeezed into the garage. Its a real puzzle.
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:21 PM   #201
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There's no proof for this.

One single piece of information that IS available says that the Forza
and SH300i have peak torque at the SAME revs, and Forza has LESS
torque, just as it has less power. It's more likely it's just a less powerful
engine to conform to emissions regulations that keep getting worse and
worse.
Sorry to disagree, but according to the UK sales brochure I have in my hand:
SH300 Power 20Kw@8,500 Torque 26.5Nm@6,000
Forza Power 17.9Kw@8,250rpm Torque 25.7Nm@6,000 rpm

So the Forza has 10% but 3% less torque.

I stand by my assertion that the Forza has been tuned for torque rather than power.

The argument can only be settled on the dyno - but why have an argument in the first place, since it's not going to change anything?

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Old 05-19-2013, 02:30 PM   #202
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Sorry to disagree, but according to the UK sales brochure I have in my hand:
SH300 Power 20Kw@8,500 Torque 26.5Nm@6,000
Forza Power 17.9Kw@8,250rpm Torque 25.7Nm@6,000 rpm

So the Forza has 10% but 3% less torque.

I stand by my assertion that the Forza has been tuned for torque rather than power.

The argument can only be settled on the dyno - but why have an argument in the first place, since it's not going to change anything?
Sounds like your numbers confirms what Cortez posted. If it was tuned for torque it would have more not less.
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Old 05-19-2013, 04:08 PM   #203
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Sounds like your numbers confirms what Cortez posted. If it was tuned for torque it would have more not less.
Sorry to disagree,

What matters is not the maximum torque, but the entire torque curve. That's why the argument can only be settled with the dyno, but why have an argument, when this won't actually change anything.
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Old 05-19-2013, 04:20 PM   #204
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The only one arguing is you..

Oh yeah, the curve should be the same since you get max torque at the same RPM.....
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Old 05-20-2013, 05:16 AM   #205
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I will have to look into this mod.
The sliders go in the front variator and using lighter ones will increase the rpm that the bike pulls at for any given throttle position to get more power to the road. They won't fix a slipping centrifugal clutch in the back. Your clutch must need some new parts. Maybe the aftermarket knows about the issue and can offer some improvements.
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:47 AM   #206
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I will have to look into this mod. My Majesty is an 05 and was purchased used last year with 10K on the clock. It is very well maintained and never seen rain. When I picked it up it shined better then new. Only fault I discovered was the hanging clutch. It seems to take a long time to fully grab and does not seem to completely grab until the 15 or 20 MPH mark. Once it does it moves with authority but until then you are asking for a BMW Enema.
It's been documented to death, and that's the reason the pre-redesing
Majesty takes almost 14 seconds to 62mph, and the new one "only" 11
seconds.

That's the reason for the shudder when the clutch engages and when you
ride at low speeds.

In reality, it would benefit the most from a new clutch and a different
variator (that's $500+), but compared to what you have now, just replacing
the stock rollers with Dr Pulley sliders will make a vast improvement and
you'll even be overtaking uphill with it, 2up.

Depending on how much revs you want to gain at full throttle, you need to
go 10% lighter then stock weights or more, but that's where I'd start.

Just check the size (and weight) of stock rollers, go to buggypartsnw.com
(no affiliation, just dealt with them more then once) and order a set that's
around 10% lighter.

I'd also measure the time it takes 0-60 now and after, and for example,
where it'll make most difference.. 30-50mph for example.

Also, at cruising speeds above 65mph the sliders will LOWER the revs
= better MPG figures.
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:51 AM   #207
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Sorry to disagree, but according to the UK sales brochure I have in my hand:
SH300 Power 20Kw@8,500 Torque 26.5Nm@6,000
Forza Power 17.9Kw@8,250rpm Torque 25.7Nm@6,000 rpm
That's exactly what I said. You just proved my point.
Forza has less power and less torque at the same revs.

It's only logical to assume that it'll have less torque and power
at lower revs too.

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So the Forza has 10% but 3% less torque.
What?

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I stand by my assertion that the Forza has been tuned for torque rather than power.
What are you basing that assumption on when the only piece of
official Honda information says exactly the opposite?
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:54 AM   #208
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The sliders go in the front variator and using lighter ones will increase the rpm that the bike pulls at for any given throttle position to get more power to the road. They won't fix a slipping centrifugal clutch in the back. Your clutch must need some new parts. Maybe the aftermarket knows about the issue and can offer some improvements.
The clutch is slipping because it's tuned for.. let's call it.. WRONG revs to
engage. The sliders will allow the engine to spin faster at WOT and that'll
make the clutch engage without hesitation.

It's actually a feature, not a bug. At the expense of performance, they've
made the scooter very smooth at takeoff by leaving the clutch in a bit.

I've seen this "fixed" on 2 majestys in the past few years, once with Dr
Pulley sliders, once with a different variator, and eventually the other guy
added Dr Pulley sliders in the sports variator too.

No one touched the clutch.
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:55 AM   #209
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Fresh video (MCN)



I know, it's typically MCN-useless, but nice eye candy.
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Old 05-20-2013, 05:06 PM   #210
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I know, it's typically MCN-useless, but nice eye candy.
poor man!! he lives in the wrong place!! lol!!! maybe he is like me, does not like riding in the rain, BUT he has no option. From the video I take that it can do 70 mph+ (it mentions it goes 85) nice under stores and it would do great as my only bike (single rider with no possibilities of touring the Americas)

Ok, let's start a yard sale to rise the money!! and then the bike will come

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