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Old 05-25-2013, 07:10 PM   #1
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Another 'does the bike I want exist' thread. Dakar version.

hello,

i've been thinking about getting a klr650 for a long while, to get started towards racing in the dakar. my girlfriend is planning to get a ducati multistrada to go along with me.

i've watched "race to dakar", which was super fun, but really worrying from a "you may die in the desert" standpoint.

what i'd really like is a taller bike (the 850mm seat height of the multistrada is just about perfect for me), that's still as vibey as the old 650 at WFO top speed, but even taller.

337 dry weight / 402 wet is not enough for me. i'd much rather have a bike that vibrates a lot like the multi, but something like a 600lb paint shaker. i need all that power, and would rather have it taller and vibrate way more.

i'd really really like the xr650l, but it's pretty much the same weight, and not quite tall enough, but it has a big fin kit, which with other mods, would make it vibrate almost enough. but the lack of height is a killer.

so, is there any dakar racing bike that's a vibey / fast as a klr650, high maintenance, preferably taller and vibrates more? i haven't been able to find any bike that vibrates that doesn't have lower service times.

this is my current mod/farkle list for the 650 (it's a bit long, and definitely a work in progress)

2" or 2.5" raising link? or a whole different shock! or just go showa?
protect the kill switch wiring
comfy seat - rezanco (can they make it heavier?) or corbin (i know that one has some weight to it)
doohickey
upgraded subframe bolts
adapt RR products, find the most expensive stuff i can
add crashbars, weld up new crashbar protectors
add highway pegs, since i heard it's a pretty long race
heavy duty clips and zip ties everywhere. lead weight like they do in nascar, cuz, hey i'm a racer
scottoiler
gps and mount, whatever other navigation they use. should be simple
helmetlock
remove mirrors completely - good for aero, but will have to add weight back later
reinforce stock fairing, make numberplate mount
put really really loud pipe, cuz, hey i'm a racer
remove fcr-mx 39mm pumper carb and adapt microsquirt FI system. carbs are for tools.
1. )protect the radiator from the highway pegs rubbing on them (weatherstripping, maybe some hardiplank)
2. )similarly, check that the plastic plug on anything is touching anything (i read somewhere that wuz bad)
3. )remove the top bolts that hold anything to anything and replace with jb weld to avoid having them ripped out
4. )wrap the radiator hose with another radiator hose, kinda like a helmet protector (gary busey special)
5. )wrap the fuel line under the seat with something to keep the subframe bolts from rubbing a hole in the line. it's under the tank, kinda between the carby thing and the other thing that i put fuel into.

second (vibration/weight)
bashplate, and bashplate protector
replace pedals with similar pedals, only more expensive, and for no good reason
radiator guard - touratech preferably, their stuff looks really nice
dry break gascap (stock sucks!)
front sprocket guard (lime green!)
kickstand pad, whatever brand is heavier
exhaust (stock is too tweety, i need it as loud as possible)
shark fin, not that i'm riding rocks
extra clutch cable
replace all potmetal brackets with heavier ones
reinforce all wires, with more wire (again gary busey reference)
reinforce grounds (not sure how, i'm a great mechanic, but electricity baffles me)
chain guard protector
reinforce all brackets with more brackets / more headlights for night racing (i think they ride at night too?)
protect spark plug cap, it gets hot
several layers of foam air filter material
super heavy duty tubes, mousse are too light and for amateurs
suspension swap from a quad? revalve?
brake pedal cable (brake saver to prevent the bendy bendy)

ask:
improved external filter. i heard sometimes there's sand in the gas over there, i should probably stop it.
what fairings can i make from walmart garbage cans that will look the most racy? do they sell milkcrates there?
what hand guards protect from wind and impacts the most? i want to race, not research anything myself.
replace lightweight indicators with stock.
what's the beefiest wheels and tires i can get?
what's the loudest exhaust? has anyone run one of those cheesy ebay ones yet?
any heavy but more vibey foot pegs?
heavyweight chain? what's the biggest they make? unbalanced wheels?
anyone running 16/39 sprockets? higher top speed, more weight
raising link or quad shocks?
heaviest muffler and pipe? mild steel guards, custom pipe. ebay muffler? no spark arrestor for me, it's loud. ceramic
coat whole system, add weight, less heat! great idea! stock is not heavy enough.

find out with experience:
gear up or gear down sprockets? i need top speed to be around 140mph to be competitive
revalve needed?
engineice? bigger radiators? top speed i'll need additional cooling, perhaps a turbo

list:
ape hangers
giant loop great basin: just big enough, as i'm planning on being self supported i'll need somewhere to put my bivouac.
wolfman enduro tankbag, for my camera and juiceboxes
self contained hot water system
heated grips for those chilly days in the andes
extra vibe grips from harley store (viberider?)
heaviest largest battery possible, any car batteries fit? stock battery 7.21 lbs sears gold diehard 34.1 lbs
mirrors from mack truck
custom bashplate made from 1/4" mild steel sandwiched between 2 roadsigns
scotts steering damper
weld on kickstand foot - hey it's gonna be sandy here and there
less hot exhaust setup, heavier, loud
some kind of fender bag, not sure what that's for
custom brake and clutch lever from harley screamin eagle catalog
radiator guard / custom / touratech? make sure is very beefy, i'm a racer
change some gearing? need to hit 140mph
stronger rear subframe bolts
doohickey
brighter lights! hid's from pep boys

toolkit:
bricks in the milkcrate? (sand etc)
klr toolkit (ie screwdriver and crescent wrench)
19 + 22 wrenches? motion pro combo lever?
laptop and backup laptop to tune microsquirt
fuses (12 pack of each)
spark plug
fuel filter / fuel line / extra microsquirt injector
spare air filter, preoiled (2 should do it?)
120v mini tig welder
multimeter, backup laptop power supply
spare chain, precut / bailing wire
spare chain lube
spare oil
tube patch kits
spare tubes
tie down straps (8)
air pump, and backup air pump
spare brake fluid - will need it with 140mph plus
spare nuts/bolts/ craftsman small toolkit
spare voltage regulator
jb weld
spare clutch / brake pedal
heavy duty zip ties!

check before trips:
oil change
valve clearance
tires
chain
sprockets
brake pads
tire pressure
fuel filter
air filter
wheel bearings
(For race practice, new everything before dakar)
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Old 05-25-2013, 07:28 PM   #2
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You have a fairly solid plan, but you're missing one key element. The best tool for a KLR is a hammer. 10lb sledge should work while adding weight to your toolkit.

Also, you should be able to run a car battery in the milk crate, or even better a marine battery, and leave the stock one on. You never know when a racer might need dual batteries. You could even set them up in series and stick weld with that setup!
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:27 PM   #3
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:43 PM   #4
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10lb sledge should work while adding weight to your toolkit.
You could even set them up in series and stick weld with that setup!
um, yeah, thanks, i've already thought of that. i know a lot of stuff. and it'll have to be tig or nothing, stick welding is for losers and pedophiles.

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best post i've read in a while
i also already knew that. can you please be clever somewhere else now, please?
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Old 05-25-2013, 11:36 PM   #5
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um, yeah, thanks, i've already thought of that. i know a lot of stuff. and it'll have to be tig or nothing, stick welding is for losers and pedophiles.
Welding is so passe. I bet you still use EFI, petro fuel, and other archaic voodoo.
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:00 AM   #6
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Welding is so passe. I bet you still use EFI, petro fuel, and other archaic voodoo.
i'm trying to quit anything with voodoo dolls and chicken sacrifices, you heartless heathen.

don't make me channel my boyfriend. "he's kind of a big deal"

do you have any real world experience to teach me? i really need to get this klr dialed in. by my spreadsheet calculations, the klr that i haven't purchased yet will need a turbo to get the required 140mph. i just don't know how large of a turbo to get. any tips?

or should i go to supercharging? what kind of mileage will i get with a turbo vs supercharger?

this is a real question for my future purchase.
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:48 AM   #7
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337 dry weight / 402 wet is not enough for me. i'd much rather have a bike that vibrates a lot like the multi, but something like a 600lb paint shaker. i need all that power, and would rather have it taller and vibrate way more.

i'd really really like the xr650l, but it's pretty much the same weight, and not quite tall enough, but it has a big fin kit, which with other mods, would make it vibrate almost enough. but the lack of height is a killer.

so, is there any dakar racing bike that's a vibey / fast as a klr650, high maintenance, preferably taller and vibrates more? i haven't been able to find any bike that vibrates that doesn't have lower service times.
How about a fully farkled GS boxer? Preferably an HP2 with high seat option. Just disconnect the right side ignition to get more character out of the engine.
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Old 05-26-2013, 02:31 AM   #8
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How about my DR?

Buy my DR, it will be perfect!

I know it falls short on every category you mentioned, but it will still be perfect!
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Old 05-26-2013, 03:02 AM   #9
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I honestly had a legit thread before all this started, I think I have want I want narrowed down enough that I don't need to keep mine going.

You forgot to add "throttle by wire" may not exist yet but you should develop it, those throttle cables are for chumps!
ABS is a must, nothing can ever go wrong with ABS!!!!
You have to have a traction control system....this is a must in Dakar!!
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And good god don't forget your disco ball and light for your self contained party when you win....which duh obviously you will win!
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Old 05-26-2013, 03:13 AM   #10
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DUH!!!!!!! I got it!!!!!!

Electric Dirtbike!!!!! It is perfect...no carb to mess with, and you can just simply fabricate a solar power station to recharge the bike, or if you are crafty, which I can tell, you could fashion one to the bike so it is constantly charging. I mean technology like this is available all over the world....no problems if it ever rolls craps. You won't even have to venture out onto any pavement to find gas!!!!

Flawless, foolproof plan. And just remember that I gave you the idea!
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Old 05-26-2013, 03:23 AM   #11
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DUH!!!!!!! I got it!!!!!!

Electric Dirtbike!!!!! It is perfect...no carb to mess with, and you can just simply fabricate a solar power station to recharge the bike, or if you are crafty, which I can tell, you could fashion one to the bike so it is constantly charging. I mean technology like this is available all over the world....no problems if it ever rolls craps. You won't even have to venture out onto any pavement to find gas!!!!

Flawless, foolproof plan. And just remember that I gave you the idea!
I had thought of that too - but of course the US runs on 110v, but pretty much the rest of the world on 240v... so would that cause a problem? Or will my bike just go twice as fast in Europe?

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Old 05-26-2013, 03:24 AM   #12
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And how many batteries can I fit in a Giant Loop bag?

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Old 05-26-2013, 07:59 AM   #13
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Ever wonder why some of you have already peaked in life? Take a good look at this thread.

Have fun insulting a woman, boys. You are as far in life as you will ever be. For a reason. This thread is symptomatic of that reason. Some advice - consider expending some of the energy you have on developing professionally, rather than making fun of girls. You'll go further in life. You might even meet a woman worth having without her shaking her head in disgust at you.

Might want to consider that.

And yes, I am "kind of a big deal." That is why I have a girl who is pushing me to do this, among many other things that I'd bet money on some of you never even entertaining the thought of. Assuming you can actually think.
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:17 AM   #14
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Wow...someone is full of themselves!

Well Mr Bigshot if you are such a BIG DEAL it seems you would have enough connections with real world bigwigs that you would be able to ask KTM or Yamaha to build your specific bikes you need. I mean Ewan McGregor was able to get all those companies to give him all that stuff. You MUST be just as much as a BIG DEAL as him!!!!!

I can't even imagine why you would need us peons and our worthless opinions.

BTW...your thread got moved to the basement!!!!!!
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:37 AM   #15
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Wow...someone is full of themselves!

Well Mr Bigshot if you are such a BIG DEAL it seems you would have enough connections with real world bigwigs that you would be able to ask KTM or Yamaha to build your specific bikes you need. I mean Ewan McGregor was able to get all those companies to give him all that stuff. You MUST be just as much as a BIG DEAL as him!!!!!

I can't even imagine why you would need us peons and our worthless opinions.

BTW...your thread got moved to the basement!!!!!!
How clever of you.

I am so full of myself I need to insult women and belittle them. How insightful of you.

How about refuting my post, instead of resorting to a child like response? Though I will say, you are quite correct. Judging by this thread and the other, your opinion is quite worthless. Another reason you are in the station in life that you are.
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