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Old 05-24-2013, 01:18 AM   #4651
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tow rope

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what rope did you use for towing? and how long it was?

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Old 05-27-2013, 03:00 PM   #4652
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thanks to all for another great Siberian adventure...I hope to go on one myself someday

meanwhile, a special shout-out to Walter for the recommendation of Jack Weatherford's Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World. Just finished it last night...fascinating man and culture.

Finished the Modern World by Weatherford. I would have never read this book if not for Coalbatch and the RR. I must share this:

The noble king was called Genghis Khan,
Who in time was of so great renown
That there was nowhere in no region
So excellent a lord in all things.
He lacked nothing that belonged to a king.
As of the sect of which he was born
He kept his law, to which that he was sworn.
And thereto he was hardy, wise and rich,
And piteous and just, always liked;
Soothe of his word, benign, and honorable,
Of his courage as any center stable;
Young, fresh, and strong, in arms desirous
As any bachelor of all his house.
A fair person he was and fortunate,
And kept always so well royal estate
There was nowhere such another man.
This noble king, this Tartar Genghis Khan.

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Old 05-27-2013, 06:09 PM   #4653
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Hope Terry or Walter will still answer. On Terry's bike are you not using any type of rack and just letting the bags rest against the tank? If so did you like it and how did it work out? Would you change anything?

Thanks again for giving me something to dream about doing?
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Old 05-27-2013, 08:24 PM   #4654
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A parallel to Siburski Extreme... http://www.endurorally.com/pages/5th...ris-rally-2013

Should be fun to track both sets of trip reports.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:18 AM   #4655
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A parallel to Siburski Extreme... http://www.endurorally.com/pages/5th...ris-rally-2013

Should be fun to track both sets of trip reports.
Two colleges of mine are on this trip as Doctor and Medic :-)
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Old 05-29-2013, 12:11 AM   #4656
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Came home from work and found a parcel from England
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Thoroughly enjoyed the DVD.
Good job mate
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:43 AM   #4657
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I've spent the last three (!!! ) weeks reading bits and pieces of this ride report. Today I finally finished, and it's disappointing that there won't be more of this fantastic journey.

Thank you to everyone who took the time not only to report the Sibirsky ride, but to also tell a kickass story. It's been fun, and I can't wait to see what journeys come in the future.

I do have one question though. All of you were European, would the routes you took be accessible to Americans? Were there any countries along this path that might hassle someone with a US passport or license plate?
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Old 05-29-2013, 12:52 PM   #4658
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Hi fox,yes the bags are straight against the aux.tank .i did put a thick piece if plastic inside the zip pocket as a braise,i am still using that idea at the moment.
On the other side ,i made up a plate and mouted it to that side footrest mounting and rear grab rail.
I,m on the road at the moment,but when i get chance i can take a photo if your interested.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:47 PM   #4659
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I do have one question though. All of you were European, would the routes you took be accessible to Americans? Were there any countries along this path that might hassle someone with a US passport or license plate?
Glad you enjoyed it.

It would all be just as accessible to Americans as Europeans. You are not likely to get hassled any more than Brits are.

For some reason, Americans are pretty worried about venturing into this part of the world ... (at least 90% of the bike travellers in this part of the world are European - with a handful of Aussies and Kiwis and Americans making up the remaining 10%) ... but I can tell you its unjustified. If you talk to some of the few Americans ADV guys that do venture into this part of the world, like:
RTWDoug (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681994),
or Beta (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652622)
or Sherri Jo Wilkins (http://sherrijosbecauseicanworldtour...max-results=50),
or the current ride report from RoninMoto (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781893)
or the very clever and entertainingly philosophical (and soon to be resumed) blog from Genghis9021 (http://www.littletinyplanet.com/wordpress/?page_id=953),
you will find they will probably all tell you they love it and the people are, as a general rule, great, and much better than they had expected - most of those folks were travelling solo too.

Officials, like border guys, will treat you the same as they treat Europeans ... In fact Americans are treated better than Brits technically. Americans can now get 3 year multi entry tourist visas for Russia. Brits can get a maximum of one year - and only for a business visa. (French and Germans can get 5 year business visas). Brits (and other Europeans) need a visa for Mongolia. Americans do not - you can just show up at that border. As for Russia, when you apply for a multi entry visa, you get thoroughly vetted by the FSB (former KGB) before you even get issued an invite to apply for the visa. So to get a multi entry visa it means you have already been "approved" by FSB head office. The small fry at the border are not going to overrule your approval by head office. I actually have never heard of any bike traveller with a visa ever being turned away at the border.

Once inside Russia, there are only two distinctions - Russian or Non-Russian. What type of non-Russian you are doesn't come into it. Restricted areas are the same for Russians and Non-Russians ... the main difference is that Russians can get permits to enter restricted areas much more easily than non Russians. In any case, I have routed the Sibirsky Extreme Trail around any restricted areas - so no permits needed.

Kazakhstan is not going to hassle an American, unless you are a rabid democracy activist. Their traffic cops hassle everyone equally, Locals, Europeans, Americans.

A good mate of mine is an American adv rider living in Moscow ... I will ask him to add his perspective.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:08 PM   #4660
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I'm the guy Walter referred to, an American living in Moscow. I've traveled on the bike all over Russia, including to Yakutsk, Magadan, etc. and have been to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, although not on the bike. Planning on Mongolia this summer.

I've never had any problem at all; in fact, on the bike especially most Russians--particularly in Siberia--think it is really cool that I've come "all the way from America" (actually Moscow) to their remote part of Russia, and virtually all of the Russians I've met have been incredibly helpful and friendly.

While I've never had the slightest problem, keep three things in mind when travelling in Russia (whether American or not):
1) Russians can be very proud, and there are a few hardline nationalists that don't like Americans very much...that said, even these guys give Americans a grudging respect and are very unlikely to do anything beyond making some snide remark unless you go out of your way to insult them or they fall into Item 2, below. Even these guys are generally pretty easily won over if you engage them in conversation, say some nice things about Russia, etc.; and
2) most important, avoid drunks to the extent possible. This is much easier said than done but Russian drunks can be really nasty and potentially dangerous, especially if you refuse to drink with them. Extricate yourself as politely as possible and get out of dodge; and
3) situational awareness is very important in Russia, just as anywhere else--if something feels wrong, it probably is, and you should leave. Which is why it is good to travel on a bike.
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Old 05-30-2013, 12:39 AM   #4661
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especially if you refuse to drink with them.
Seconded. My wife is from St Petersburg and while over there I've found myself trapped in situations that basically force me to drink way beyond my comfort zone. Not nice, but you can make a joke out of it and flatter them ("I'm just a weak Englishman, no-where near man enough to keep up with a mighty Russian like you!" has worked for me in the past)

At the same time though, get a Russian girlfriend and they seem to cheer up, it's as though there's great pride taken in their women! I remember one night an aggressive drunk was told off by all his mates for calling me a f***ing tourist, they defended me on the account of my having a lady there :) They were very sweet actually. I suppose it's certainly not a rule that you'll have a hard time, just need to be aware I suppose


oh, and this is my first post on ADV - how appropriate it should be on a thread that I got heavily absorbed in! Absolutely phenomenal, I'm absolutely inspired to do something intrepid on account of this, I am in awe! Thanks very much for providing so much entertainment and intrigue, guys. I think my next bike will be a more adventurous one......!
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:04 AM   #4662
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They were very sweet actually. I suppose it's certainly not a rule that you'll have a hard time, just need to be aware I suppose
You are certainly correct, I should have distinguished between "drunk Russians" (ie, an average guy who happens to be drunk at the time) who can be very jolly and a lot of fun and "Russian drunks" (ie, alcoholics hanging about the gas station, store, cafe, etc. in the middle of the day in a drunken stupor) who are generally bad news.
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:12 AM   #4663
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Hi fox,yes the bags are straight against the aux.tank .i did put a thick piece if plastic inside the zip pocket as a braise,i am still using that idea at the moment.
On the other side ,i made up a plate and mouted it to that side footrest mounting and rear grab rail.
I,m on the road at the moment,but when i get chance i can take a photo if your interested.
Cheers
Terry
Thank You for the reply. I think I'm following your logic on the way your bags are for my setup. No rush for the photos, I think I got it. Enjoy the road, thanks again.
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Old 06-03-2013, 05:07 AM   #4664
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Awesome RR !!
I enjoyed every moment of your journey, and hope that will be more in the future !

congrats to all and everyone !!
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:37 PM   #4665
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Glad you enjoyed it.

It would all be just as accessible to Americans as Europeans. You are not likely to get hassled any more than Brits are.

For some reason, Americans are pretty worried about venturing into this part of the world ... (at least 90% of the bike travellers in this part of the world are European - with a handful of Aussies and Kiwis and Americans making up the remaining 10%) ... but I can tell you its unjustified. If you talk to some of the few Americans ADV guys that do venture into this part of the world, like:
RTWDoug (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681994),
or Beta (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652622)
or Sherri Jo Wilkins (http://sherrijosbecauseicanworldtour...max-results=50),
or the current ride report from RoninMoto (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781893)
or the very clever and entertainingly philosophical (and soon to be resumed) blog from Genghis9021 (http://www.littletinyplanet.com/wordpress/?page_id=953),
you will find they will probably all tell you they love it and the people are, as a general rule, great, and much better than they had expected - most of those folks were travelling solo too.

Officials, like border guys, will treat you the same as they treat Europeans ... In fact Americans are treated better than Brits technically. Americans can now get 3 year multi entry tourist visas for Russia. Brits can get a maximum of one year - and only for a business visa. (French and Germans can get 5 year business visas). Brits (and other Europeans) need a visa for Mongolia. Americans do not - you can just show up at that border. As for Russia, when you apply for a multi entry visa, you get thoroughly vetted by the FSB (former KGB) before you even get issued an invite to apply for the visa. So to get a multi entry visa it means you have already been "approved" by FSB head office. The small fry at the border are not going to overrule your approval by head office. I actually have never heard of any bike traveller with a visa ever being turned away at the border.

Once inside Russia, there are only two distinctions - Russian or Non-Russian. What type of non-Russian you are doesn't come into it. Restricted areas are the same for Russians and Non-Russians ... the main difference is that Russians can get permits to enter restricted areas much more easily than non Russians. In any case, I have routed the Sibirsky Extreme Trail around any restricted areas - so no permits needed.

Kazakhstan is not going to hassle an American, unless you are a rabid democracy activist. Their traffic cops hassle everyone equally, Locals, Europeans, Americans.

A good mate of mine is an American adv rider living in Moscow ... I will ask him to add his perspective.
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I'm the guy Walter referred to, an American living in Moscow. I've traveled on the bike all over Russia, including to Yakutsk, Magadan, etc. and have been to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, although not on the bike. Planning on Mongolia this summer.

I've never had any problem at all; in fact, on the bike especially most Russians--particularly in Siberia--think it is really cool that I've come "all the way from America" (actually Moscow) to their remote part of Russia, and virtually all of the Russians I've met have been incredibly helpful and friendly.

While I've never had the slightest problem, keep three things in mind when travelling in Russia (whether American or not):
1) Russians can be very proud, and there are a few hardline nationalists that don't like Americans very much...that said, even these guys give Americans a grudging respect and are very unlikely to do anything beyond making some snide remark unless you go out of your way to insult them or they fall into Item 2, below. Even these guys are generally pretty easily won over if you engage them in conversation, say some nice things about Russia, etc.; and
2) most important, avoid drunks to the extent possible. This is much easier said than done but Russian drunks can be really nasty and potentially dangerous, especially if you refuse to drink with them. Extricate yourself as politely as possible and get out of dodge; and
3) situational awareness is very important in Russia, just as anywhere else--if something feels wrong, it probably is, and you should leave. Which is why it is good to travel on a bike.
Thank you for this info. I had mistakenly thought that it would be more difficult for Americans to get visas in some eastern European countries because of the long cold war history, especially Russia, but I guess the U.K. was on the same side of it we were. Thank you again, Walter (and company) for ALL of your excellent RR's. I looking forward to the next one.
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