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Old 05-30-2013, 01:24 AM   #1
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Parts Washer Modify/Build

Here's my contribution to a topic that is still debated and wondered about.

I built a good parts washer well over 20 years ago, and now I need another one. Unfortunately, the first one was built for someone else, with their money, so I don't have access to it.

I have been needing to do this for a few years, but now it is finally the right time, again.....

I had some parts for a "By-Pass" oil filter that I was supposed to install on my last 5.9L Cummins. That project got "shelved," and I have been shuffling the parts around. The parts included some custom length, fuel/oil rated hoses and fittings. (Fuel is considered a solvent) I also had a common filter and filter housing that is used in the Medium to Heavy trucking industry.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...PassFilter.jpg

I got some motivation, and 25% coupon and headed to HoBo Freight. I bought the washer for $94.99 - 25% and also a small "Dolly" for $9.00.



http://www.harborfreight.com/movers-dolly-93888.html

The dolly gave me 4 casters, nuts, washers, and bolts. (plus some firewood with caustic smoke.)

I lowered the parts washer shelf by measuring and drilling. I can't remember the exact numbers, but the shelf will now allow the 17" Five Gallon bucket. While I was there, I drilled and tapped and added some fittings, a 1/4 turn valve, and a short nipple. I used Epoxy to secure the fittings to the basin. (Glued and Screwed)



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...DrainValve.jpg



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...ainFitting.jpg

I cut some scrap MDF, lined the perimeter with some 2x4 scraps and attached the casters from the HoBo Dolly. This was made to have a tight fit and is used as a base. I also mounted the metal shelf upside down. That way there is a stop to keep stuff from falling off of the back and sides.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/18FtCord.jpg

My garage doesn't have a lot of electrical outlets, so I put on an 18 foot cord. (of course another garage surplus) This was after wiring up a junction box so that a switch controlled the electricity to two outlets and also cosmetically covered a hole in the basin. The inside edge was covered by a piece of Aluminum, clamped between 2 pieces of steel channel and "Hammered" into perfection.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...enderTools.jpg

The Aluminum and junction box were then Pop Riveted together.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...oxPopRivet.jpg



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/TestFit2.jpg



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...SwitchWire.jpg



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...witchFront.jpg

Drilled and added a grommet for the pressure hose. It just flops around....it does have a brass fitting and kind-of simulates a nozzle.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...oseGrommet.jpg

I used a Submersible Pond Pump from Lowes. I think that it was close to $19.99. It hangs from the pressure line, and is close to 3.5 inches off of the bottom. I didn't add any filtering, other than water filled to 2 inches below the bottom of the pump.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...pDrainTube.jpg





http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...Build/Pump.jpg

Lid open, simple work light and everything turns off with the switch.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/Finished.jpg

The lid closed with the light still in place. The lid doesn't close completely with the light clamped on, but far enough for me....



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/.../LidClosed.jpg

And I use Solvent that was purchased from a gasoline style pump at a Fuel/Oil Distribution center. $5.19 a gallon

It might be Stoddard Solvent, Naptha, White Gas, Mineral Spirits, but the pump said "Solvent" and it has a very light smell of kerosene and is clear.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:29 AM   #2
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Tomorrow, I'll add an inside Pic shot.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:31 AM   #3
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I also shortened the black drain hose, hoping for less bottom level water/solvent/dirt agitation.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:32 AM   #4
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I used a Submersible Pond Pump from Lowes. I think that it was close to $19.99. It hangs from the pressure line, and is close to 3.5 inches off of the bottom. I didn't add any filtering, other than water filled to 2 inches below the bottom of the pump.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...pDrainTube.jpg






It might be Stoddard Solvent, Naptha, White Gas, Mineral Spirits, but the pump said "Solvent" and it has a very light smell of kerosene and is clear.
I don't know much about homemade parts washers... maybe people have been using these pumps for years with no problems... but the safety guy in me would be very worried about using an electrically powered pump designed to move water with a flammable solvent. Please don't blow yourself up. YMMV.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:43 PM   #5
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I don't know much about homemade parts washers... maybe people have been using these pumps for years with no problems... but the safety guy in me would be very worried about using an electrically powered pump designed to move water with a flammable solvent. Please don't blow yourself up. YMMV.
Thanks for the concerns. You have some "points" for an argument, too.

I would like to say to "try this" but maybe I shouldn't.

You decide.....

Take a stainless-steel kitchen bowl, fill it however full (with one of these....gasoline, diesel, kerosene, Naptha, white gas, Coleman Fuel, etc) but make sure that there is liquid in it. Stand back a few feet and throw a lit match in it. The lit match will go out, once it hits the liquid. I know that it sounds unsafe and maybe stupid, but until the fuel gets to a certain atomization point where it mixes with the air, it won't combust, explode, or ignite.

Of course, my memories of yester-year fuels are/might be different than today's "Alcohol induced Hippie fuel" gasoline, but all of the others won't light until their temperature gets higher than the sun will make the earth.

My "Solvent" is similar to Kerosene.

Another point to think about is the motor style. The motor doesn't have any brushes that contact the commutator/contact areas on the motor shaft. So there isn't any chance of "spark" as the brushes leave one contact and enter the next.

The motor works off of magnetic theory, similar to an alternator versus a DC generator.

The most dangerous thing on this is the "un-shielded" light bulb. Hopefully, that won't ever be a problem.

Either way, I appreciate the concern. Hopefully, I was able to give you and others a little "insight."

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Old 05-30-2013, 01:54 PM   #6
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I forgot to add...

I used a "semi clear" paint bucket so that I can visually monitor the level of solvent and dirt. The pic doesn't show it, but I can see through it.

And for those who might not have a "complete" understanding, the majority of the solvent is stored in the bucket versus the basin. That way I only purchase 4.5 - 5.0 gallons versus the 20 gallons that it is rated for....

The 1/4 turn valve is always open and the basin is always draining. I put a piece of steel wool, rolled up, into the drain hole. It stops Carb Jets and other small parts from falling into the bucket.

The water is separating the dirt, while the parts washer is not in use, and the 5 Micron Oil By-Pass filter is filtering while the pump is in use.

Anyways.....Let me know what you think
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:46 PM   #7
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Thanks for the concerns..........

My "Solvent" is similar to Kerosene.

Another point to think about is the motor style. The motor doesn't have any brushes that contact the commutator/contact areas on the motor shaft. So there isn't any chance of "spark" as the brushes leave one contact and enter the next.

The motor works off of magnetic theory, similar to an alternator versus a DC generator.

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But if I "all of a sudden disappear...." hopefully I didn't suffer too much....

Here is a link to another thread, but it clearly shows the "DC Generator Comm/Contact spark line."

Check it.....

http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php...058#post371058

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Old 05-30-2013, 10:44 PM   #8
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Here are some "Simple Science" pics that demonstrate how the water and Solvent separate.

The first pic shows how much solvent is in the jar prior to adding water.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1403.jpg

As the pics progress, I am pouring water into the jar of solvent. Eventually, the last jar has more water than solvent, but you can see that the amount on top is equal to the amount that was in the beginning.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1404.jpg



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1406.jpg



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1407.jpg
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:33 AM   #9
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Here is the corrected wiring, for those that saw it.

I must have been tired or something...




http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...WireRepair.jpg
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:49 AM   #10
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This post is some more "Simple Science" that will address some people's fear of "Solvent" being too flammable or having too low of a Flash Point.

The first pic shows some EverClear. The Second pics shows, but it is hard to see in the pic, the EverClear on fire and the whole wet spot is a blue flame.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1398.jpg



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1399.jpg

The next pic is freshly poured Solvent, with a lighter touching the fluid. It's a 70 degree day, very low humidity, warm cement, and nothing but a new "Clean Spot" on my driveway.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1402.jpg
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Old 05-31-2013, 01:05 AM   #11
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So after all of that,

Here are a few pics that show it in action. If I had used an oil filter that had a larger Micron Rating and Higher Gallons per Minute, the overall flow would probably be more. I am alright with it like it is. The more flow/higher pressure, the more of a chance to "SplashBack" into my eyes or on the floor.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1409.jpg

This pic shows the fluid draining back into the bucket.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1412.jpg

This pic shows how much water was put in with relevance to the bottom of the pump.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...erInBottom.jpg

This pic shows how much total fluid from the bottom of the bucket to the bottom of the pump. If you look close, you can even see the separation line of the fluids.



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...ttomOfPump.jpg
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Old 05-31-2013, 01:11 AM   #12
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This is what will be "Dissected" tomorrow. After being cut apart, (and cleaned,...haha) it'll probably ride close to the drain hole. Maybe over the top of it and the wadded up, steel wool "filter."

Yup, another item from the pile.....



http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...d/IMAG1408.jpg
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Old 05-31-2013, 01:33 AM   #13
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So, I think that is it...

Questions?
Arguments?
Simple Science?

Maybe a check up, down the road.
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:33 AM   #14
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I see your reasoning behind the science and set up, but at the end of the day I have to say I'm just happy with my stock HF parts washer and replacing the kerosene very year or so since it's only $4/ gallon. What can I say, I'm lazy.
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:34 AM   #15
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So, I think that is it...

Questions?
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Maybe a check up, down the road.

Thanks for the indepth write-up. When I first saw your water/solvent dirt collection method, I thought I was genius.

I understand lots about vapor pressures, flash points, liquid phase vs. vapor phase ignition, etc, but it's good you clarified for everyone following along at home.

You're right about the submersed pump probably not being able to cause ignition... no oxygen no boom, right? As long as it stays submersed. Keep an eye on your solvent level! And your solvent does have a pretty high flash point... solvents like that are usually in the 100 - 150 degree range, so unless it's wicked hot and sweaty in the garage or your pump overheats and heats up the solvent, it'll be tough to ignite. So static build-up from the friction of transfering the sovlent probably won't cause an ignition either. You may have to worry about it vaporizing a bit while spraying, but other than that, I guess you're good, eh?

Be careful if you switch to a different solvent.
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