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Old 06-23-2013, 03:18 AM   #136
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The Moto Guzzi Norge can keep up with the best of them and go anywhere, even through the redwood ...
I haven't ridden a lot of the other brands of ST bikes so my perspective may be a little skewed. The Norge fit me perfectly. 5' 11" and 205 and the ergos was right. Before I bought it, I was pouring over all I could find like a mad man trying to find a reason not to buy it. I mean really, what the hell was I thinking? No dealer close and I've never even sat on one before. The styling was the first thing, I knew that wasn't a good reason to buy. I've done that in the past. Sometimes good and sometimes not so much. After emailing owners and reading all I could find, I went for it. Put 2K miles on it before I came back to work. Loved every mile of it. A lot of good reactions from people I don't think I would have gotten any reaction from with my HD. This is the first bike I've owned with a hundred HP from the factory. Kinda fun but you have to watch or you'll find yourself in triple digits and riding comfortably. As I said earlier, my vote goes to the Norge.
But with that being said, there is a reason they build so many different brands and types of bikes.
Ride safe on something and have fun.
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Old 06-23-2013, 10:14 PM   #137
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The 1200 Multistrada is absolutely amazing. Easily as comfortable as my R1150RT was, but 100lbs lighter (475 dry) and with a motor that changes the definition of usable power, this thing is crazy fast.

No it doesn't have a barn door to hide behind, but it's simply a far more rideable bike than either my BMW or my old Connie. Better balance, better brakes, considerably lighter, same mpg (45 avg and still in the break in period), longer valve adjustment interval.

If you are looking in this arena, and the entry fee doesn't scare you, then you need to test ride this bike.

This bike will change Ducati. They only build 40,000 bikes per year. Half of them are Multistrada 1200s.

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Old 06-24-2013, 06:04 AM   #138
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The 1200 Multistrada is absolutely amazing. Easily as comfortable as my R1150RT was, but 100lbs lighter (475 dry) and with a motor that changes the definition of usable power, this thing is crazy fast.

No it doesn't have a barn door to hide behind, but it's simply a far more rideable bike than either my BMW or my old Connie. Better balance, better brakes, considerably lighter, same mpg (45 avg and still in the breakin period), longer valve adjustment interval.

If you are looking in this arena, and the entry fee doesn't scare you, then you need to test ride this bike.

This bike will change Ducati. They only build 40,000 bikes per year. Half of them are Multistrada 1200s.

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While I've always found Ducatis interesting and sexy, I've never seriously considered buying one. Until now.
As I just purchased an FJR1300 a year ago and am not exactly awash in Fun Money to spend, it won't happen anytime soon. But for the first time ever, Balogna has produced a bike that I find actually practical, while maintaining that sexy side.
So, Mike, what are maintenance requirements like?
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Old 06-24-2013, 07:31 AM   #139
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I just got back from a quick 3 day weekend trip through northern arizona and southern Utah on my 2010 multistrada 1200s. I'll second that it is an amazing sport touring rig - tons of power (even at 10000 feet), all day comfortable, great brakes. The more upright seating gives a great view of unfamiliar roads. Every time I ride it I'm amazed at what a complete package it is. I can't comment on the skyhook suspension but if its better than the ohlins than it must be amazing.
As far as maintenance - oil changes every 7500, valves at 15000 miles. Oil changes are easy - the valve service I leave to someone else. Currently at 33000 miles and counting.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:49 AM   #140
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Service intervals are as Dave.O noted. With the exception that the 2013s have pushed the valve adjustment interval to 18,000 miles. New timing belts are recommended after 5 years.

I haven't tried the Ohlins system, so I can't compare. The magazines that did were suitably impressed. For the non-Ducatisti, the Skyhook is the first semi-active suspension ever installed on a standard production motorcycle, think micro-servos and .002 second response times. BMW has installed a similar system in the 2013 HP4, but I wouldn't consider it as a standard production bike as only 250 were imported into the US.

The Skyhook works directly with the 4 rider mode options to integrate with the throttle mapping and horsepower delivery, traction control, ABS sensitivity, and rebound/compression damping. All of these settings are adjustable so you can run with the factory presets, or customize to your liking.

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Old 06-27-2013, 06:38 PM   #141
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The wait.....

The good news for you is by waiting you'll be able to compare the other newly upgraded contender... the 1190 KTM.....guess which one will be better in the dirt should you choose to go there?


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QUOTE=Rider;21712550]While I've always found Ducatis interesting and sexy, I've never seriously considered buying one. Until now.
As I just purchased an FJR1300 a year ago and am not exactly awash in Fun Money to spend, it won't happen anytime soon. But for the first time ever, Balogna has produced a bike that I find actually practical, while maintaining that sexy side.
So, Mike, what are maintenance requirements like? [/QUOTE]
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Old 06-27-2013, 06:44 PM   #142
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Funny. The Ducati folks in Italy, and their dealers here believe that the Multistrada 1200 is a Sport Touring motorcycle. So do many on this thread. Ok, it's a free country.

But the MS doesn't meet my definition of a Sport Tourer (or an ADV bike), and lots of folks agree with me. The Ducati sale staff just doesn't understand our reaction when they suggest that the MS replaces the ST3s/4s.

That said, the MS is a terrific street bike, as has been mentioned above: light weight, plenty of power, great handling, great electronics.
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:04 PM   #143
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Motorcycle Consumer News just published a glowing evaluation of the 2013 BMW F800GT (July '13 issue). Gave it a rare "Excellent" overall rating.

497lbs wet. Worth a look, I'd say.
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:25 PM   #144
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Huoa! Obviously V11 Lemans is a much more capable work horse than I give it credit for..
Just back in from 2500 miles on the Nero Corsa. 500 of it was 2-up and loaded with luggage. 650 miles the first day. 775 miles the last day. Great time in Colorado and New Mexico. Bike was great!







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Old 06-28-2013, 09:23 PM   #145
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Motorcycle Consumer News just published a glowing evaluation of the 2013 BMW F800GT (July '13 issue). Gave it a rare "Excellent" overall rating.

497lbs wet. Worth a look, I'd say.
You know, I hadn't given that one a thought but I think I will. I've been leaning towards selling my oilhead and replacing it with 2 bikes(smaller offroad bike and a more sporty street bike) so I'll have to add the f800gt in with the Griso and a k1300s. f800gt looks good on paper, just comes down to ergonomics as I'm 6'4"
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Old 06-29-2013, 02:22 AM   #146
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I saw and sat on the F800GT at this year's motorcycle show. It is a good middle weight. I actually prefer the F800S (no longer made), but that's just me. However, for the price BMW asks, it should come with full Ohlins suspension, front and rear. Instead, it has bargin basement forks and a cheap shock. Yes, it can be fixed, but that's adding insult to injury. The value proposition just isn't there for me.

To be fair, the F800GT is almost perfectly sized for many of the women on this site who want fully-featured touring motorcycles. If you have the money, and will do the BMW maintenance, go for it!
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Old 06-29-2013, 07:54 AM   #147
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I have begun looking for a new bike for long distance. Im a long time Harley rider but my current ride is a '77 and Im not riding it long distance. All these choices confuse me. I am just not familiar with any of these. I am 62 yrs old and only about 5'6". I really like the BMW's but they are a bit too proud of their bikes (just like Harley). I will be looking to by a used dependable bike for my Alaska trip 2014 (bucket list). I would buy new if that's the best route. Can you help me sort through the different brands and models a bit? or suggest a thread on here that might help?
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I have begun looking for a new bike for long distance. Im a long time Harley rider but my current ride is a '77 and Im not riding it long distance. All these choices confuse me. I am just not familiar with any of these. I am 62 yrs old and only about 5'6". I really like the BMW's but they are a bit too proud of their bikes (just like Harley). I will be looking to by a used dependable bike for my Alaska trip 2014 (bucket list). I would buy new if that's the best route. Can you help me sort through the different brands and models a bit? or suggest a thread on here that might help?
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To get any good advice maybe post some criteria of what you are looking for. Upright ergo's or more sporty. Range? MPG? Maint. Intervals? Etc.......we live in a grand age for motorcycling with nearly unlimited choices but in order to provide advice/direction a few more specifics will be needed.


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Not sure I know enough to know what to ask. I am way early in the search. I have been searching through the forum trying to sort information.
I need long distance comfort, good mileage as distance between fuel can get long in Canada and Alaska. I am in Iowa. I don't want to be limited to just highway riding. I like to explore. More than likely I will be traveling alone. Less hassle.

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Old 06-29-2013, 10:22 AM   #150
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Funny. The Ducati folks in Italy, and their dealers here believe that the Multistrada 1200 is a Sport Touring motorcycle. So do many on this thread. Ok, it's a free country.

But the MS doesn't meet my definition of a Sport Tourer (or an ADV bike), and lots of folks agree with me. The Ducati sale staff just doesn't understand our reaction when they suggest that the MS replaces the ST3s/4s.

That said, the MS is a terrific street bike, as has been mentioned above: light weight, plenty of power, great handling, great electronics.
While the MTS is upright against the ST's more traditional sporting pose, and I'd agree that its wind protection is not as smooth flowing or comprehensive as a fully faired bike (though many of us find it adequate to the job) I'll take umbrage with you that it doesn't fill the ST role, albeit in a slightly different guise.

It will significantly out accelerate any ST(4s) up to 130 MPH, handles tight and challenging roads with aplomb and will stay with even specialist bikes in such conditions, works well two up, has nicely tailored and well thought out luggage (with some space limits for the right side bag) and is equally at home on the slab, where it acquits itself very well.

I just returned from a 2500 mile 8 day round trip, with the last day including 600 miles along US 101 and a tiring slog up I-5 from Portland to Seattle. I can't think of a better bike to have accomplished that on that might also provide adequate comfort, very sporting and confidence inspiring handling and enough power to pass anything else on the road at will.

If you define the bike by it's mission and capabilities rather than its praying mantis styling, the Multistrada may just be the best sport tourer on the market today. Most of us who bought them did so to fulfill just that role. I know I did, and I am not disappointed.

But yeah, it doesn't look like a K1300S, an FJR....or an ST4S.
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