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Old 07-26-2013, 06:33 AM   #16
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I think that the future is good for maxi-scooters. I am seeing more of them out on the road, and they do have a "cool factor".

I think there is an untapped market for something just a little bit smaller. Maxi scooters are still pretty heavy, and their seat height is a bit too tall for some.
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:23 AM   #17
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I bought an '05 Majesty just to commute to work because my 1900cc Roadliner seemed to be a bit of overkill for a short 10 mile trip each way. before long I found myself riding it more than the Roadliner or the DR650. I loved the convenience of putting my backpack under the seat, ride to work, pull out the backpack and store the helmet in there. I didn't want to carry the helmet in with me all the time and since I ride daily, year-round, I am concerned about UV deterioration of the helmet hanging in the sun 10-12 hrs a day... every day. I've done many 4-500 mile days, much of it at 80-85mph on the highway, and it was very comfortable and stable. Now the DR and Roadliner are gone and I only sold the Majesty to make room for a BMW C650GT. The GT is my only bike at the moment. After the bank account heals, I'll probably add an old BMW /6 and a Moto Guzzi Stelvio to round out the fleet.


Thanks for the feedback R4L. This confirms a lot of my suspicions.
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...In my opinion used low mileage Silverwings are huge bargains and they are out there. I test rode a C650GT and it was amazing, but not $11K amazing compared to my $4K used Swing with 4K miles. Honda has nothing new that would sway me away from the Silverwing.
What type of fuel economy are you getting with your S-Wing? Just curious.
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Maxi scooters are still pretty heavy, and their seat height is a bit too tall for some.
The weight thing concerns me as well. My Reflex is a little heavier than my DR650. Granted, the weight is down low but it's still kind of a pig to push around. Why do these things have to weigh so much?
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:18 AM   #18
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I'd guess the future is bright for Maxi and even smaller scoots.

I got my first Silverwing about 2003 or so. The first few years there was a lot of guys thinking "that's not a real bike" and the scoots weren't really accepted on rides on such. I'd say somewhere around 2008-2010 I began to get a lot of questions from other riders. How fast will it go? Is it comfortafortable? etc. and comments like "maybe someday when I get old".

About the last couple of years I hear more and more guys saying they are tired of all the shifting or lack of storage of bikes and they really want to get into scooters.

I see this continuing. The more scooters that are on the road, the more acceptable they become. The more acceptable they become, the more folks buy them....on and on.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:23 AM   #19
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The weight thing concerns me as well. My Reflex is a little heavier than my DR650. Granted, the weight is down low but it's still kind of a pig to push around. Why do these things have to weigh so much?
I had a couple of Silverwings before I bought my first Burgman 650. The weights are pretty close between the 2 but pushing the B'man around the garage you'd have though it weighed a LOT more. I read somewhere something like the trans doesn't fully disengage on the B'man. Not sure if that is correct but I had to get rid of it before I had a heart attack.

I found the Reflex easy to push around but haven't had one for a year or so. I must admit I'm getting pretty used to the Sport City and Vespa and how light they are.

One really nice thing is that engines have gotten a lot more powerful with FI and the newer 150s can provide an around town ride that would have challenged some of the older ones.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:39 AM   #20
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I absolutely love my TMAX, had it for about 15K miles from new. It can do everything I need to do and have no interest in looking at something different. I hope maxi's continue to take off here, but I will ride my TMAX until the wheels fall off. The only issue i have is with the seat-would like something with a better driver backrest.
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:02 PM   #21
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As long as its a question of chewing the fat I wish maxi scooters could be more handy. I've ridden scooters for forty years but that means I'm used to sit-up-and-beg Vespas and their progeny..

I thought long and hard about a Burgman 650 but I couldn't bend my mind around the extremely long wheelbase, the weight and the sensation of riding something more akin to a car with all that plastic.

I have full use of arms and legs so a clutch isn't an issue for me, and I enjoy shifting. I have saddlebags and a top case for commuting and touring. Yet I feel like I'm missing out when I think about the big scooters. Lately I walk past a BMW 650 GT parked in town and I get a glint in my eye. Hmmm...
I am conflicted.
Luckily traditional scooters don't seem to cause me conflict.
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:16 PM   #22
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I don't consider maxi scooters to be true scooters, because of their size and almost absurd length. To me, among other things, "scooter" means small. Not that there is anything wrong with maxi scooters, they have a purpose, but they don't really fit the definition of either a scooter or a motorcycle. Kind of like SUVs I guess. Neither a car nor a truck. I like traditional scooters. I've bought 5 new ones since 2005, and still have 3 of them. One of them is a manual shift 2 stroke. They are a blast to ride, and very handy.

But I am considering replacing a motorcycle with a maxi scooter, for medical reasons. Constant shifting and clutching starts to hurt after a while, and it can sometimes be hard to get on and off of a motorcycle. Since I have a 750cc motorcycle that is probably almost worn out (it may still have more miles left in it than I think) it just makes sense to replace it with a maxi scooter that should solve most of my issues.
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:26 PM   #23
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Like lots of things it's nice to have choices. We have two cars, my Mazda 3 which is small, sportyish and fun to drive. My wife, well that's a different story. A Nissan Murano with all the goodies, even the passenger seats are heated. (CARMAX saved us almost $12000 vs. brand new) And it has a CVT to boot! The point is, some trips I feel like being more engaged in my drive, others, I feel like I want more luxury. It is without a doubt the smoothest most relaxing vehicle I have ever driven on the highway. And we went through a leasing phase in the late 90's early 2000's for about 10 years.

So, what does this have to do with scoots? Well, I see my sport city kind of like the Mazda 3 where as a Silverwing, TMAX, Burg650, and BMW's all seem more like the Murano. That 3 hour drive over the mtns. to the coast on 65mph roads can be done on the SC, but I'm sure it would be better on the others. I know the return trip if done the same day sure would be. While that trip hasn't happened yet but it's only a matter of time.

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Old 07-27-2013, 02:59 AM   #24
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Like lots of things it's nice to have choices. We have two cars, my Mazda 3 which is small, sportyish and fun to drive. My wife, well that's a different story. A Nissan Murano with all the goodies, even the passenger seats are heated. (CARMAX saved us almost $12000 vs. brand new) And it has a CVT to boot! The point is, some trips I feel like being more engaged in my drive, others, I feel like I want more luxury. It is without a doubt the smoothest most relaxing vehicle I have ever driven on the highway. And we went through a leasing phase in the late 90's early 2000's for about 10 years.

So, what does this have to do with scoots? Well, I see my sport city kind of like the Mazda 3 where as a Silverwing, TMAX, Burg650, and BMW's all seem more like the Murano. That 3 hour drive over the mtns. to the coast on 65mph roads can be done on the SC, but I'm sure it would be better on the others. I know the return trip if done the same day sure would be. While that trip hasn't happened yet but it's only a matter of time.

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Old 08-01-2013, 10:24 PM   #25
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Not sure what the future holds, but I'm hoping Honda updates the silverwing. It's a bit long in the tooth for the kind of cash they are asking for it. I'd also like to see another 300cc scooter by Honda.
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Old 08-02-2013, 06:28 AM   #26
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Not sure what the future holds, but I'm hoping Honda updates the silverwing. It's a bit long in the tooth for the kind of cash they are asking for it. I'd also like to see another 300cc scooter by Honda.
The new Honda Forza (300) is supposed to show up at dealers later this month. Look for the lengthy thread on it here.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:55 AM   #27
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What about the Burgman scooters are they up for significant remodeling?
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As a matter of fact, I just read an article on the Burgman which just got an update. I never paid much attention to them before, but it sounds like they changed up the body work and made them easier to push around, among some other tweaks.
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:03 AM   #28
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I would like to see a new kind of maxi scooter. One with larger wheels (17" sport bike sized wheels should work fine) a short wheelbase, around 55", and a 500cc engine. It would have the same riding position of a smaller scooter like a Zuma 125, but be larger. But not long. It should have more motorcycle like proportions, but still be a step through with a completely flat floor, and a scooter type CVT drivetrain. I would like to have a much larger scooter, but I don't want one a mile long. Not only do these super long scooters not look good to me, but they are clumsy and awkward around town and in parking lots.
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I would like to see a new kind of maxi scooter. One with larger wheels (17" sport bike sized wheels should work fine) a short wheelbase, around 55", and a 500cc engine. It would have the same riding position of a smaller scooter like a Zuma 125, but be larger. But not long. It should have more motorcycle like proportions, but still be a step through with a completely flat floor, and a scooter type CVT drivetrain. I would like to have a much larger scooter, but I don't want one a mile long. Not only do these super long scooters not look good to me, but they are clumsy and awkward around town and in parking lots.
I doubt that you will see that. Here's why. Most maxi scooter riders seem to be more interested in being able to stretch out their feet, a low seat height, and have a lot of storage than they are in nimble handling and light weight. The reason for the long wheelbases and smaller wheels are to provide those things, not for stability. Sport bikes are stable due to their rigid frames more than the 17" wheels. If you built a scooter like you wanted, it would likely have a tall seat and limited underseat storage. There are some scooters close to what you want so why not go for one of these: Kymco GT300i, Aprilia Scarabeo 500, Piaggio BV500, and the new BV350 is close but the floor is not completely flat. They all have upright seating positions, 16" wheels, and are very capable of highway riding.

Kymco tried to provide a maxi scooter with lighter weight, shorter wheelbase and more nimble handling. Look how well that has sold in the US. I'm talking about the DT300. Every one complains about the lack of legroom.
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:31 AM   #30
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Anyone who has ridden a Zuma 125 knows it has almost no legroom (that may be the reason why someone came up with aftermarket highway pegs for it) but using them cuts 5 mph off top speed. The Vino 125 has quite a bit more leg room.

But I find the "stretch out" thing to be odd. I ride a cruiser motorcycle so I can sit upright and stretch my legs out with the forward pegs. The bars are tall enough and come back far enough that you can reach them easily without having to lean forward. Yet this is what most motorcycle riders don't want. They want the pegs to be way back, and the bars to be about the same height as the seat, specifically so they can put most of their upper body weight on the bars, and have their legs all scrunched up underneath them. I never understood why everybody wants such an uncomfortable riding position, but they do. The new Honda CTX700 got tons of complaints because it has a cruiser like riding position, without looking like a cruiser. Will be interesting to see how well it sells.
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