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Old 08-21-2013, 09:21 PM   #151
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. Snakebitten, maybe you are the same guy, a 2nd name... don't care, add, don't subtract...
You mean I'm really GrahamD?

Nope. He lives almost exactly half way around the world, AND on the other side of the equator.

Strangely though, I did ride a Yamaha Super Tenere within just a few miles from his house, I think. (Rental bike in Melbourne) He did NOT invite me to dinner or anything. I was devastated.

If he ever finds himself in Texas, I assure you I WILL invite him for some good Mexican food. Or some BBQ.

I post too much too.
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:21 PM   #152
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And why is it hard to live elsewhere?

so can I, at least on the internet. Regardless, I was in Florida doing the "Theme Park" thing with the family for a WHOLE week... Love the Fam. hate the theme parks... Not to mention I was doing the manly ( god I want to be anywhere but here) mandatory drinking in the evening just to get by... Holy hell the beer selection in Orlando sucks... Anyway I was being dickish, now I am home, good beer in hand, and much happier...

Enough hijacking, on my end.. back to topic

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Old 08-23-2013, 08:29 PM   #153
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You know, sometimes my GF makes me see some girly films. And sometimes, I confess, they get interesting and all. But let me tell you this, I always, and I mean always, like better to read about motorcycles, to learn about motorcycles and to talk about motorcycles. So, can we say now that the love story among you guys is over... let's put your romance drama and love exchanges to the side so we go back to the motorcycles? We were talking about turds, actually. The RD03 was a turd. And the Varadero was a more expensive and bigger turd. And now we are talking about HRC-lipstick on a turd. Now that took me to Alaska. And this is where a bike's story really counts. The real adventure bike should do those Alaskan roads well. Should travel to Tierra del Fuego sin problemas. And you know what? Any of those turds could do it very well. But can they do it as fast as Nick Sanders did on the Super Tenere? Ok, now we are back to bikes.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:38 PM   #154
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Any of those turds could do it very well. But can they do it as fast as Nick Sanders did on the Super Tenere? Ok, now we are back to bikes.
Sanders is a freak, and I mean that in a good way.

And Yamaha wanted to prove a point about durability, in the face of perceived strengths of BMW.

So, um, fucks knows what the AT will be..
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:47 PM   #155
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Well, since you brought up the Tenere, :) , those that don't ride them would be shocked at what that Big Pig can accomplish.

So if Yamaha can build a dirty 1200cc pig, why can't Honda?
I think they can. Just wanna see if they will.
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Old 08-24-2013, 09:37 PM   #156
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I guess the community is split in two camps : one wants a light weight rally bike , kind off like KTM690 . Other half wants a full blown Honda adventure bike kind off like Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 ... oh wait and there is one more camp , it's the ones that post just for the sake of posting and consider everybody's opinion nonsense except theirs but I'll leave that to "Jo mamma" ...
Anyway ... according to the rumors and it's just rumors , 1000cc Vara/Superhawk engine , cable clutch , high front fender , Honda is going to build a 1000cc KLR . Basic , simple, good on the road and quite manageable off road , not too heavy not too light , but in the right hands a swiss knife .
I also have to agree with Snakebitten . Yamaha S10 is a heavy bike , but it shines everywhere except sand . I took it to some fire roads during my test drive in Colorado and it is a very capable adventure bike , probably the best out there at the moment . Great traction control made me feel like a Dakar hero fishtailing all over the place , but putting things in straight line when I got carried away too much .
Cheers ...

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Old 08-25-2013, 12:26 AM   #157
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Pricing prices...

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The RD03 was a turd. And the Varadero was a more expensive and bigger turd. And now we are talking about HRC-lipstick on a turd. Now that took me to Alaska. And this is where a bike's story really counts. The real adventure bike should do those Alaskan roads well. Should travel to Tierra del Fuego sin problemas. And you know what? Any of those turds could do it very well. But can they do it as fast as Nick Sanders did on the Super Tenere? Ok, now we are back to bikes.
Have to correct you on the prices...
When the XL1000V Varadero was introduced (september 1998), the price line up (Dutch list prices, that means a BIG amount of silly taxes) was like this:

1998
Honda XL600V Transalp: € 8000,-
Honda XRV750 Africa Twin: € 10.275,-
Honda XL1000V Varadero: € 10.725,-

The only 'too expensive turd' in this list ís the old Africa Twin. Keeping in mind, that it had only 10 Bhp more than the Transalp, but was over 30kg more heavy...

Strange is the (very little) price difference to the MK1 Varadero. Which was 20 kg more heavier than the Africa Twin (253 kg), but 98 Bhp.

I would love a new Honda Vtwin dual sport bike in the 10.000-12.000 price range... Even if it is designed as a turd...
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:54 AM   #158
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I'm in the camp that wants a twin version of the KTM 690 enduro R.

sorry guys but coprophilia just isn't my thing
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Old 08-25-2013, 05:51 AM   #159
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You know, sometimes my GF makes me see some girly films. And sometimes, I confess, they get interesting and all. But let me tell you this, I always, and I mean always, like better to read about motorcycles, to learn about motorcycles and to talk about motorcycles. So, can we say now that the love story among you guys is over... let's put your romance drama and love exchanges to the side so we go back to the motorcycles? We were talking about turds, actually. The RD03 was a turd. And the Varadero was a more expensive and bigger turd. And now we are talking about HRC-lipstick on a turd. Now that took me to Alaska. And this is where a bike's story really counts. The real adventure bike should do those Alaskan roads well. Should travel to Tierra del Fuego sin problemas. And you know what? Any of those turds could do it very well. But can they do it as fast as Nick Sanders did on the Super Tenere? Ok, now we are back to bikes.
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Have to correct you on the prices...
When the XL1000V Varadero was introduced (september 1998), the price line up (Dutch list prices, that means a BIG amount of silly taxes) was like this:

1998
Honda XL600V Transalp: € 8000,-
Honda XRV750 Africa Twin: € 10.275,-
Honda XL1000V Varadero: € 10.725,-

The only 'too expensive turd' in this list ís the old Africa Twin. Keeping in mind, that it had only 10 Bhp more than the Transalp, but was over 30kg more heavy...

Strange is the (very little) price difference to the MK1 Varadero. Which was 20 kg more heavier than the Africa Twin (253 kg), but 98 Bhp.

I would love a new Honda Vtwin dual sport bike in the 10.000-12.000 price range... Even if it is designed as a turd...

Have to correct you on your reading comprehension.
I never said "too expensive." I said more expensive and bigger. Which you confirm on both counts based on your 1998 turd data.
Now, I did not say which bike is more lekker.
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Old 08-25-2013, 08:41 AM   #160
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I'm in the camp that wants a twin version of the KTM 690 enduro R.
Me too, and I don't care which factory it comes from. Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, KTM. The first one to build something like that is going to have to deal with me trying force a pile dollar bills down their throat.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:02 AM   #161
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Me too, and I don't care which factory it comes from. Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, KTM. The first one to build something like that is going to have to deal with me trying force a pile dollar bills down their throat.
Wel go and get this one:http://www.ccm-motorcycles.com/ and let Honda make a 200kg, 100hp, big twin.
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Old 08-25-2013, 10:10 AM   #162
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Keeping in mind, that it had only 10 Bhp more than the Transalp, but was over 30kg more heavy...
what are you saying?
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Old 08-25-2013, 02:41 PM   #163
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Wel go and get this one:http://www.ccm-motorcycles.com/ and let Honda make a 200kg, 100hp, big twin.
450 single 5 speed = 500 twin six speed? Really? What is so hard to get about wanting a small two cylinder dual sport. Not everyone is a fan of winding up a single cylinder bike down the highway.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:06 PM   #164
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what are you saying?
The early 600 Transalps are far better off road and better all round bikes too.
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:46 PM   #165
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I had both AT and TA. both are reliable good bikes and they do not excel on anything. they can do a little of everything which is just enough for the average biker or the "adventure" biker .
From my point of view the TA is for single rider while the AT for 2 riders , this is how they where thinked and designed.
So please stop comparing the 2 sisters as they were tuned (designed ) for different uses/ers .

I have a question:
- how many of you AT fans out there expect a reliable motorcycle instead of a rally, light , fully power bike?
This was the main ATU of the AT. its engine was bulletproof, everything built to endure and last, like a tank!
From Honda point of view , i think , it is not rentable to make such a reliable bike. So they will most likely build an SUVbike like all others (with Dakar/ADV look , and for publicity they will say it has the heritage of the AT ), cause this is the same scenario like in the cars industry.
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